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mitchntx
post Nov 25 2008, 07:03 PM
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IN an effort to lose weight off the race car, I want to cut the SFCs off. However, I use them to jack up the car.

After seeing several "pro" teams use a receiver/stab setup off the roll cage, I began fabricating this kind of rig.

I used 1" square tubing as the receiver and gusseted the hell out of it to keep deflection to a minimum. I have some 3/4" solid bar stock I was using as the stab.

After welding the receiver portion to the cage and mocking up the stab with plenty of gussets, I tested the rig and ... it bent. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) 3/4" solid bar stock bent like a pretzel.

And it yielded right at the end of the gusseting. Think of it as a pry bar.

I opened the door and placed the jack on the end of the receiver and lifted the car without an issue ...

So help me out here ... what can I do to the bar stock I have to increase it's strength or what kind of 3/4" bar stock can I source that will lift 1500lbs?
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00 Trans Ram
post Nov 26 2008, 06:57 PM
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Well, my solution isn't nearly as cool looking as a stab/receiver combo. But, it's light and it works. I simply welded a piece of 1/4" thick plate to the rear of the framerail under the floorboards. The part that has the factory tiedown hole in it. There were some concerns about the holes elongating with use (I use them for tying the car down on the trailer).

Now, I just stick my jack under there and use it to jack the car. Both tires come up within 3-4 pumps. And, i don't have to worry about finding that receiver when doing a quick pit (or leaving it at home).
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post Dec 9 2008, 04:58 AM
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wow, what do you guys think about these little pins?

(IMG:http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1359/593330953_52b0626d4e_o.jpg)

(IMG:http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1312/593331075_4673996ff6_o.jpg)

you can see where the pin comes in through the rocker here

(IMG:http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1077/593331229_a61a9d143c_o.jpg)

is this common on lighter weight cars? seeing how close the jack is to the body, they reduced the moment arm a whole lot, but i wonder if stronger pins might work, as long as you keep the jack close to the body?

also, it's a mitsubishi galant i think, here's the flicker set

http://flickr.com/photos/larryparker/sets/72157600459014007/
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post Jan 7 2009, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (billy_ocean @ Dec 8 2008, 11:58 PM) *
wow, what do you guys think about these little pins?

Somehow I missed this. The pins are probably hardened steel so they MIGHT be strong enough assuming they are short enough. But I completely agree with TB, they don't appear to be retained well.



(IMG:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/StanIROCZ/stab_receiver1.jpg)
So, I've put some more thought into my contraption above I don't think it will work. Since the jacking point is ~6" out to the right to clear the rocker panel, the vertical bar that is tied between the rocker and the X will be resisting a bending moment i.e. the top will be getting pushed in (to the left) and the bottom will be getting pulled out (to the right). I think the top would be ok, but the rocker panel won't be strong enough since it is only sheet metal.


So here is a better idea:
(IMG:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/StanIROCZ/Cage/stab_receiverAG-Copy2.jpg)
Cut a square hole in the floor so the square tube can pass through. Make the hole flush with the pinch weld in the rocker so it can be welded directly to the rocker. This takes away almost all of the bending loads caused by versions 1 and 2 and is the simplest solution for x-bars, I think.

You have a couple options for the bottom part where the jack would touch. You can either weld a plate to the bottom and call it good. Or you can make a separate "hitch" as shown in blue in the picture. The benefit of the separate piece would be ground clearance since I'm not sure if I like the idea have having a blunt object sticking out at the ground line.

This is so much simpler. Looking back I don't know why I didn't think of this first.

Hopefully it works since I've already hacked out my SFC's (which is a dirty dirty job BTW).
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mitchntx   Get bent   Nov 25 2008, 07:03 PM
FBody383   QUOTE (mitchntx)So help me out here ... what can I...   Nov 25 2008, 07:51 PM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Nov 25 2008, 02:03 PM) ...   Nov 25 2008, 07:53 PM
mitchntx   The stab ... The stab fully inserted. Afte...   Nov 25 2008, 08:13 PM
StanIROCZ   I assumed a 6" lever arm and 1600 lbs of load...   Nov 25 2008, 08:34 PM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Nov 25 2008, 03:34 PM)...   Nov 25 2008, 08:36 PM
RichardP   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Nov 25 2008, 02:13 PM) ...   Nov 25 2008, 09:13 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (RichardP @ Nov 25 2008, 03:13 PM) ...   Nov 26 2008, 12:42 AM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (RichardP @ Nov 25 2008, 04:13 PM) ...   Nov 26 2008, 02:15 AM
mitchntx   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Nov 25 2008, 08:15 PM)...   Nov 26 2008, 02:57 AM
mitchntx   Thanks, Stan .... Learning by doing, I guess ... g...   Nov 25 2008, 08:36 PM
rmackintosh   I used small trailer hitch recievers and made a st...   Nov 25 2008, 09:23 PM
rmackintosh   Here is the stab. As stated it is a small sized ...   Nov 25 2008, 09:40 PM
JKnight   Can't find a pic at the moment, but JR Smith o...   Nov 26 2008, 12:42 AM
rmackintosh   Not THAT much heavier. Granted it is much thicke...   Nov 26 2008, 01:41 AM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Nov 25 2008, 08:41 P...   Nov 26 2008, 02:26 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Nov 25 2008, 09:26 PM)...   Nov 26 2008, 03:17 AM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Nov 25 2008, 10:17 P...   Nov 26 2008, 03:31 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Nov 25 2008, 10:31 PM)...   Nov 26 2008, 04:11 AM
nape   You can accomplish the same thing with about 8...   Nov 26 2008, 02:54 AM
Blainefab   I fabbed jack points for the C4 I built for Dr Gin...   Nov 26 2008, 12:53 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (Blainefab @ Nov 26 2008, 07:53 AM)...   Nov 26 2008, 05:23 PM
00 Trans Ram   Well, my solution isn't nearly as cool looking...   Nov 26 2008, 06:57 PM
billy_ocean   wow, what do you guys think about these little pin...   Dec 9 2008, 04:58 AM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (billy_ocean @ Dec 8 2008, 11:58 PM...   Jan 7 2009, 12:35 PM
trackbird   You wouldn't catch me under that car sitting o...   Dec 9 2008, 05:04 AM
CMC #37   QUOTE (trackbird @ Dec 9 2008, 12:04 AM) ...   Dec 9 2008, 05:40 AM

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