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|  Global warming stickers required for CA cars...., CA gets "Gore'd", NY next... | 
|  Jan 3 2009, 11:18 PM 
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| Experienced Member    Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,086 Joined: 16-January 04 From: Chandler AZ Member No.: 130  | 
				http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=128569 Article is posted in case the link is bad - SACRAMENTO, California — The state of California will require all 2009 model and later cars to be labeled with stickers giving their global warming score, starting at the beginning of the year. The labels will rate vehicles on a scale of 1-10 — with 10 being the best and 5 an average number — based on direct emissions and emissions related to fuel production, and will let consumers make comparisons between models. California vehicles already are given a Smog Score, in which new models are rated on a 1-10 scale for emissions. The labeling will be displayed side by side on new vehicles sold in the state. Consumers can also look up detailed information on the Drive Clean Web site. New York can expect a similar sticker law for new models starting in 2010. What this means to you: Environmental-impact stickers: not just for refrigerators anymore. | 
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|  Jan 6 2009, 04:50 PM 
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| Veteran Member      Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,908 Joined: 3-July 04 From: Pearland, Texas Member No.: 385  | 
				Interesting that electric cars are almost unanimously-rated a 10.  It's funny how people conveniently forget that electric cars still pollute, it's just that the point source of the pollution is not in their garage, although it is usually from coal-fired generation plants.   I call this one 'Busted'. | 
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|  Jan 6 2009, 05:29 PM 
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| Advanced Member   Group: Advanced Members Posts: 854 Joined: 26-December 03 From: NYC, NY Member No.: 50  | Interesting that electric cars are almost unanimously-rated a 10.  It's funny how people conveniently forget that electric cars still pollute, it's just that the point source of the pollution is not in their garage, although it is usually from coal-fired generation plants.   I call this one 'Busted'. It's pat of the reason I doubt the global warming scare (or global cooling scare if you look back 40yrs). Out of curiosity how does my trailblazer have a larger carbon footprint but a better score than my old S10 blazer? | 
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|  Jan 7 2009, 02:46 PM 
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| Cheesehead!  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 207 Joined: 12-September 06 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 1,355  | Interesting that electric cars are almost unanimously-rated a 10.  It's funny how people conveniently forget that electric cars still pollute, it's just that the point source of the pollution is not in their garage, although it is usually from coal-fired generation plants.   I call this one 'Busted'. It's pat of the reason I doubt the global warming scare (or global cooling scare if you look back 40yrs). Out of curiosity how does my trailblazer have a larger carbon footprint but a better score than my old S10 blazer? A simple way to look at it is that MPG directly correlates with carbon footprint, the amount of gasoline burnt is proportional to the amount of CO2 emitted. Smog scores take into account the other gasses that come out of the tailpipe and the Trailblazer probably burns much cleaner than the S10 Blazer | 
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 Rob Hood   Global warming stickers required for CA cars....   Jan 3 2009, 11:18 PM
 Rob Hood   Global warming stickers required for CA cars....   Jan 3 2009, 11:18 PM 
  trackbird   We should fly to California and build a giant bon ...   Jan 4 2009, 06:11 AM
 trackbird   We should fly to California and build a giant bon ...   Jan 4 2009, 06:11 AM 
  MarkT   'Tis a good idea...but liberalism has spread l...   Jan 4 2009, 07:25 AM
 MarkT   'Tis a good idea...but liberalism has spread l...   Jan 4 2009, 07:25 AM 
  Blainefab   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jan 3 2009, 03:18 PM) h...   Jan 4 2009, 09:21 AM
 Blainefab   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jan 3 2009, 03:18 PM) h...   Jan 4 2009, 09:21 AM 
  ledfoot2   I want one for my car with the "1" ratin...   Jan 4 2009, 06:04 PM
 ledfoot2   I want one for my car with the "1" ratin...   Jan 4 2009, 06:04 PM 
  StanIROCZ   1 means "good" right   Jan 4 2009, 06:19 PM
 StanIROCZ   1 means "good" right   Jan 4 2009, 06:19 PM
 
  ledfoot2   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jan 4 2009, 12:19 PM) ...   Jan 4 2009, 08:33 PM
 ledfoot2   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jan 4 2009, 12:19 PM) ...   Jan 4 2009, 08:33 PM 
  Pilot   Cats reduce efficiency, don't they?   Jan 4 2009, 08:42 PM
 Pilot   Cats reduce efficiency, don't they?   Jan 4 2009, 08:42 PM 
  pknowles   Every vehicle I own, even the 98 Honda Civic has a...   Jan 4 2009, 09:09 PM
 pknowles   Every vehicle I own, even the 98 Honda Civic has a...   Jan 4 2009, 09:09 PM
 
  billy_ocean   I win!  so far, haha.
the DD (company car) go...   Jan 5 2009, 09:56 AM
 billy_ocean   I win!  so far, haha.
the DD (company car) go...   Jan 5 2009, 09:56 AM

 
  pknowles   QUOTE (billy_ocean @ Jan 5 2009, 04:56 AM...   Jan 5 2009, 01:02 PM
 pknowles   QUOTE (billy_ocean @ Jan 5 2009, 04:56 AM...   Jan 5 2009, 01:02 PM 
  DRD T-bone   More information isn't necessarily a bad thing...   Jan 5 2009, 02:45 PM
 DRD T-bone   More information isn't necessarily a bad thing...   Jan 5 2009, 02:45 PM 
  mitchntx   My tow vehicle ... not listed. 
2006 MAzda CX7
C...   Jan 5 2009, 04:03 PM
 mitchntx   My tow vehicle ... not listed. 
2006 MAzda CX7
C...   Jan 5 2009, 04:03 PM 
  00 Trans Ram   Well, I think they're idiots. Trying to look u...   Jan 5 2009, 04:21 PM
 00 Trans Ram   Well, I think they're idiots. Trying to look u...   Jan 5 2009, 04:21 PM 
  pknowles   The reason why I hate "ratings" like thi...   Jan 5 2009, 06:10 PM
 pknowles   The reason why I hate "ratings" like thi...   Jan 5 2009, 06:10 PM
 
  DanKeen   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Jan 6 2009, 08:50...   Jan 7 2009, 10:05 PM
 DanKeen   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Jan 6 2009, 08:50...   Jan 7 2009, 10:05 PM 
  robz71lm7   Fuel economy numbers are what it should be based u...   Jan 8 2009, 02:04 AM
 robz71lm7   Fuel economy numbers are what it should be based u...   Jan 8 2009, 02:04 AM 
  Major_Lee_Slow   WTF, my wife's 2003 Passat and my GMC Yukon bo...   Jan 8 2009, 10:32 PM
 Major_Lee_Slow   WTF, my wife's 2003 Passat and my GMC Yukon bo...   Jan 8 2009, 10:32 PM
 
  DRD T-bone   QUOTE (Major_Lee_Slow @ Jan 8 2009, 03:32...   Jan 9 2009, 03:36 PM
 DRD T-bone   QUOTE (Major_Lee_Slow @ Jan 8 2009, 03:32...   Jan 9 2009, 03:36 PM

 
  robz71lm7   QUOTE (DRD T-bone @ Jan 9 2009, 10:3...   Jan 9 2009, 10:42 PM
 robz71lm7   QUOTE (DRD T-bone @ Jan 9 2009, 10:3...   Jan 9 2009, 10:42 PM
 
  trackbird   QUOTE (Major_Lee_Slow @ Jan 8 2009, 05:32...   Jan 9 2009, 04:04 PM
 trackbird   QUOTE (Major_Lee_Slow @ Jan 8 2009, 05:32...   Jan 9 2009, 04:04 PM 
  00 Trans Ram   That's a basic problem with government taxing ...   Jan 8 2009, 11:55 PM
 00 Trans Ram   That's a basic problem with government taxing ...   Jan 8 2009, 11:55 PM
 
  pknowles   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 8 2009, 06:55 P...   Jan 9 2009, 01:55 AM
 pknowles   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 8 2009, 06:55 P...   Jan 9 2009, 01:55 AM 
  robz71lm7   It's NOx that's the real problem-especiall...   Jan 9 2009, 03:00 AM
 robz71lm7   It's NOx that's the real problem-especiall...   Jan 9 2009, 03:00 AM 
  00 Trans Ram   Environmentalists have to be some of the most self...   Jan 9 2009, 05:34 PM
 00 Trans Ram   Environmentalists have to be some of the most self...   Jan 9 2009, 05:34 PM
 
  DRD T-bone   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 9 2009, 10:34 A...   Jan 9 2009, 06:59 PM
 DRD T-bone   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 9 2009, 10:34 A...   Jan 9 2009, 06:59 PM 
  00 Trans Ram   But, humans are not separate from nature. We are a...   Jan 9 2009, 08:31 PM
 00 Trans Ram   But, humans are not separate from nature. We are a...   Jan 9 2009, 08:31 PM
 
  DRD T-bone   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 9 2009, 01:31 P...   Jan 9 2009, 10:53 PM
 DRD T-bone   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 9 2009, 01:31 P...   Jan 9 2009, 10:53 PM 
  rpoz-29   What human "luxuries" are you referring ...   Jan 9 2009, 10:10 PM
 rpoz-29   What human "luxuries" are you referring ...   Jan 9 2009, 10:10 PM
 
  DRD T-bone   QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Jan 9 2009, 03:10 P...   Jan 9 2009, 10:42 PM
 DRD T-bone   QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Jan 9 2009, 03:10 P...   Jan 9 2009, 10:42 PM|   | 
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