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Rob Hood
post Jan 3 2009, 11:18 PM
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=128569

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SACRAMENTO, California — The state of California will require all 2009 model and later cars to be labeled with stickers giving their global warming score, starting at the beginning of the year. The labels will rate vehicles on a scale of 1-10 — with 10 being the best and 5 an average number — based on direct emissions and emissions related to fuel production, and will let consumers make comparisons between models.

California vehicles already are given a Smog Score, in which new models are rated on a 1-10 scale for emissions. The labeling will be displayed side by side on new vehicles sold in the state. Consumers can also look up detailed information on the Drive Clean Web site.

New York can expect a similar sticker law for new models starting in 2010.

What this means to you: Environmental-impact stickers: not just for refrigerators anymore.
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post Jan 9 2009, 08:31 PM
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But, humans are not separate from nature. We are a part of nature. The fact that we are self-aware is immaterial.

Is it unnatural for a wolf to hunt its prety to extinction? Not at all. It's bad for the wolf, but that's the way nature works. One dominant species does what is best for itself. It's simply the way nature is.

However, I will soften my stance a bit to say that I appreciate environmentalists on many fronts. I know it sounds hypocritical, but I usually find myself on the side of Green Peace when it comes to the slaughter of whales and other animals. For some reason, I don't much mind the indirect cause of mass animal death, but I don't like directly causing it.

I know - it's a weird place to draw a line. But, I figured I'd come clean and be honest.
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post Jan 9 2009, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 9 2009, 01:31 PM) *
But, humans are not separate from nature. We are a part of nature. The fact that we are self-aware is immaterial.

Is it unnatural for a wolf to hunt its prety to extinction? Not at all. It's bad for the wolf, but that's the way nature works. One dominant species does what is best for itself. It's simply the way nature is.


I have to disagree there. Our consciousness puts us on a much higher level of nature, one where we've gathered an enormous amount of historical data so that we can reasonably predict the consequences of our actions and ascertain the best course of action to avoid the least desireable outcomes.

I.e. I don't have unprotected sex with everything that walks because I know that I'd probably contract something and die. I weigh the relative costs against the relative positive outcomes given each one's estimated likelihood and make a conscious decision. Wolves will display some of this behavior such as a lone wolf not messing with a buffalo because that's the basic level of "data" available to them.
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Rob Hood   Global warming stickers required for CA cars....   Jan 3 2009, 11:18 PM
trackbird   We should fly to California and build a giant bon ...   Jan 4 2009, 06:11 AM
MarkT   'Tis a good idea...but liberalism has spread l...   Jan 4 2009, 07:25 AM
Blainefab   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jan 3 2009, 03:18 PM) h...   Jan 4 2009, 09:21 AM
ledfoot2   I want one for my car with the "1" ratin...   Jan 4 2009, 06:04 PM
StanIROCZ   1 means "good" right   Jan 4 2009, 06:19 PM
ledfoot2   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jan 4 2009, 12:19 PM) ...   Jan 4 2009, 08:33 PM
Pilot   Cats reduce efficiency, don't they?   Jan 4 2009, 08:42 PM
pknowles   Every vehicle I own, even the 98 Honda Civic has a...   Jan 4 2009, 09:09 PM
billy_ocean   I win! so far, haha. the DD (company car) go...   Jan 5 2009, 09:56 AM
pknowles   QUOTE (billy_ocean @ Jan 5 2009, 04:56 AM...   Jan 5 2009, 01:02 PM
DRD T-bone   More information isn't necessarily a bad thing...   Jan 5 2009, 02:45 PM
mitchntx   My tow vehicle ... not listed. 2006 MAzda CX7 C...   Jan 5 2009, 04:03 PM
00 Trans Ram   Well, I think they're idiots. Trying to look u...   Jan 5 2009, 04:21 PM
pknowles   The reason why I hate "ratings" like thi...   Jan 5 2009, 06:10 PM
CrashTestDummy   Interesting that electric cars are almost unanimou...   Jan 6 2009, 04:50 PM
v7guy   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Jan 6 2009, 11:50...   Jan 6 2009, 05:29 PM
DRD T-bone   QUOTE (v7guy @ Jan 6 2009, 10:29 AM) QUOT...   Jan 7 2009, 02:46 PM
DanKeen   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Jan 6 2009, 08:50...   Jan 7 2009, 10:05 PM
robz71lm7   Fuel economy numbers are what it should be based u...   Jan 8 2009, 02:04 AM
Major_Lee_Slow   WTF, my wife's 2003 Passat and my GMC Yukon bo...   Jan 8 2009, 10:32 PM
DRD T-bone   QUOTE (Major_Lee_Slow @ Jan 8 2009, 03:32...   Jan 9 2009, 03:36 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE (DRD T-bone @ Jan 9 2009, 10:3...   Jan 9 2009, 10:42 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Major_Lee_Slow @ Jan 8 2009, 05:32...   Jan 9 2009, 04:04 PM
00 Trans Ram   That's a basic problem with government taxing ...   Jan 8 2009, 11:55 PM
pknowles   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 8 2009, 06:55 P...   Jan 9 2009, 01:55 AM
robz71lm7   It's NOx that's the real problem-especiall...   Jan 9 2009, 03:00 AM
00 Trans Ram   Environmentalists have to be some of the most self...   Jan 9 2009, 05:34 PM
DRD T-bone   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 9 2009, 10:34 A...   Jan 9 2009, 06:59 PM
00 Trans Ram   But, humans are not separate from nature. We are a...   Jan 9 2009, 08:31 PM
DRD T-bone   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jan 9 2009, 01:31 P...   Jan 9 2009, 10:53 PM
rpoz-29   What human "luxuries" are you referring ...   Jan 9 2009, 10:10 PM
DRD T-bone   QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Jan 9 2009, 03:10 P...   Jan 9 2009, 10:42 PM

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