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Jun 21 2009, 09:34 AM
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newbie Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 16-June 09 Member No.: 5,318 |
Hi, everybody. I'm really excited to go for an all out track car project.
I'm really puzzled at this dilemma: could a 98 Z28 be modded to match or surpass the handling of a C4 with Z51 like susp (Crossmember and camber brace mods)? I may be able to trade my 98 LS1 Z28 for an auto '95 C4 (and like 3K of cash, and I would swap a ZF6 and mod susp). C4s are not so cheap to get in my country (as opposed to fbodies), let alone C5s. I was just about to swap a T56 (with relocation crossmember, Z06 clutch, etc) on the Z. Before I just do either of it, I want to make sure to know if I can achieve handling capabilities of a Z51 C4 or close through modding (shocks, tires, rims, sfc, kmember, a-arms, torque arm, lcas, panhard, strano swaybars, rollbar, a little diet, etc). Guys please be honest. I've seen biased opinions on the C4 side by people who do not really focus on track improvement (and take stock form as a reference) so I thought this would be the right place to ask. I want to make sure to invest time and effort on the car with better handling potential (modded) on the following couple of years. (Ultimate purpose: Road Racing and a little of AutoX). |
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Jul 15 2009, 04:55 AM
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Moderator ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 863 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 5 |
Here's my personal experience, I've tracked 3 different f-bodies (LT1, LS1 and LT4), a 92 LT1 C4 Vette (6 spd), and a C5 Z06. At my local 1.8 mile roadcourse the LT1 Formula (moderately modded with full slicks, widers wheels, some suspension pieces, and 285RWHP) was still about 4 seconds a lap slower than my stock C4 on street/track tires (Nitto RIIs). My LT4 Hawk is about 1 second a lap faster than the C4 was, and the Z06 was in a whole different league. Here's how it broke down:
Modded LT1 f-body (285RWHP, modded with slicks and race pads): 1:38 C4 (270RWHP, stock, with Nitto RIIs and semi race pads): 1:34 LT4 Hawk (311RWHP, stock w/ Nitto RIIs and race pads): 1:33 C5 Z06 (~335RWHP, stock (tires, pads, everything): 1:29 Looking at the numbers, you'll notice that the C4 was faster than the LT1 f-body that had more HP. The other thing that's not apparent from just looking at numbers is the "feel" of the car. The C4 is way easier to drive on track than an f-body. Yes, you can make an f-body go fast (the LT4 shows that), but it's not as easy. If I was just doing track time, I would definitely take the C4 over my LT4 Hawk, it was much easier to get a fast time out of it, whereas with the f-body you really have to work at it. The C4 is much more neutral at the limit, and is very easy to recover if you go slightly past the limit. It's also much more of a "driver's car", giving much better feedback to what's going on. The C5 Z06 takes all of the C4 characteristics and raises them to the next level. I only had it on track once, and was hitting those times after just two 15 minute sessions. |
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Augusto Z28 VS C4 handling (modded for road racing) Jun 21 2009, 09:34 AM
trackbird Augusto,
The only information I can add is that m... Jun 21 2009, 02:40 PM
roy With the mods you listed the C4 vette will always ... Jun 21 2009, 02:56 PM
prockbp Check historic autocross results here:
http://www... Jun 21 2009, 03:40 PM
Augusto Thanks, guys. Really appreciated. Jun 21 2009, 05:14 PM
00 Trans Ram I'm going to have to disagree, but only becaus... Jun 21 2009, 09:22 PM
Mojave Auto-x classing and results (in AS vs FS, BSP vs E... Jun 21 2009, 10:24 PM
Blainefab QUOTE (Augusto @ Jun 21 2009, 02:34 AM) a... Jun 21 2009, 11:25 PM
00 Trans Ram Mine may very well be some skewed results. I know ... Jun 22 2009, 04:08 AM
00 Trans Ram I knew there was soemthing else I wanted to say... Jun 22 2009, 04:10 AM
Mojave QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jun 21 2009, 11:08 ... Jun 22 2009, 04:20 AM
Augusto I'm aware the first mod to an A4 C4 will be ZF... Jun 22 2009, 05:21 AM
Blainefab The C4 chassis is fixed with way less cage than a ... Jun 22 2009, 08:20 AM
Augusto QUOTE (Blainefab @ Jun 22 2009, 03:20 AM)... Jun 23 2009, 04:33 AM
roostmeyer Just curious what are c4's weighing in at in f... Jun 22 2009, 02:37 PM
Mojave QUOTE (roostmeyer @ Jun 22 2009, 09:37 AM... Jun 22 2009, 06:36 PM
trackbird I want a '91. It's the last year of the SB... Jun 22 2009, 03:46 PM
roy That one in the Video is a full caged car weighin... Jun 22 2009, 06:56 PM
Blainefab AFAIK nothing significant happened to the C4 suspe... Jun 23 2009, 10:20 AM
00 Trans Ram Does anyone have any other head-to-head results?He... Jun 23 2009, 07:51 PM
Mojave QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jun 23 2009, 02:51 ... Jun 23 2009, 08:01 PM
00 Trans Ram I'll give the better suspension, front and bac... Jun 24 2009, 04:06 AM
Augusto QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jun 23 2009, 11:06 ... Jun 24 2009, 07:33 PM
00 Trans Ram You're not going to go wrong either way. Jun 26 2009, 03:33 AM
wannafbody Let me throw some fun day autocross numbers out th... Jul 5 2009, 03:22 AM
00 Trans Ram Perhaps I need to borrow a C4 and see what I can d... Jul 15 2009, 01:17 PM
Sam Strano This goes back some time. But in 1999 there was a... Jul 15 2009, 07:45 PM
00 Trans Ram QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Jul 15 2009, 02:45 PM... Jul 15 2009, 08:46 PM
SSTAT QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2009, 04:46 ... Jul 16 2009, 04:34 AM![]() ![]() |
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