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SuperMacGuy
post Sep 25 2010, 05:09 PM
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I was at Summit Point yesterday for FATT. During my 2nd heat I had my left front hub fail. It let loose in turn 5-6 or so, and if you know Summit, that's about the slowest part of the track. Which is right after the part of the track with the highest pucker factor IMO (downhill at 80-100 depending, about a 30 degree turn a little off camber and max braking soon as you're through it). So I am OK and there is no body damage.
The hub flange sheared right off, and the wheel getting pushed back it must have bent up either the brake caliper or the slide pins, the caliper doesn't float any more. A guy with a TA next to me thankfully had a spare hub, so I got that on and drove carefully home. This was a Mike Minear hub so I'm contacting him to see if he wants to inspect it. I'll probably get a new one from him over the winter.
I'm thankful that was all relatively low drama. If that happened almost anywhere else on track, well all the other places are pretty high speed, and it would've been a real wreck, literally.

Chris
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post Jan 15 2011, 08:11 PM
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I talked to Mike several days ago. Here's some of what came out of the conversation. Some of this is paraphrasing and some is sort of restating what Mike posted earlier.
Pete's analysis showed that the parts were not forged well enough (if forged at all), that they were almost as porous as a cast piece. Pete said they looked like (more or less) just a fatigue break, and did not have any particular defect that instigated the breakage; simply the rotating stresses wore it down "like bending a paper clip till it breaks". Mike designs them, and another company buys axle blanks and essentially cuts off the long part of the shaft, and then does machining to the specifications. The machining company was contacted (if I remember he said that) and is supposedly changing suppliers or making some other adjustments to get better quality pieces to start.
Mike said he has a couple options he is looking into to improve the part.

1. Redesign the hub to have a thicker/wider radius at the transition area and/or thicker at other areas. His primary problem is finding a suitable grease seal from an off the shelf application. Says having a custom seal produced would cost a fortune.
2. Better quality part to start, and proper heat treating and hardening. (In regards to this I suggested examining the "left over" part of the axle to verify it's been forged of proper strength. I think Mike said that's not entirely feasible due to what happens to metal under heat treating or cutting it apart. We had some technical discussion that I do not remember some of the exact details of; I may be mis-remembering this particular part of it.)
3. Induction hardening. Mike says this could costs thousands to set up and require a lot of blanks to do trial/error setup of the induction unit and cutting/testing of several to optimize the hardening. But would be a really good way to harden the part, too bad it's so expensive, it probably won't happen due to cost and what is probably low demand of this part in general. I suggested a group buy on hubs, Mike thinks the demand is probably still too low to justify or cover the high cost of it.

His dye penetrant test on his hubs showed no visible cracks or stress on his unit. Though it was probably made in a different batch of hubs than mine was.
Mike has not been able to take off work recently to visit suppliers or shops during daytime business hours, so this has been sort of a slow process.
Mike said it was OK to post this and I hope I am posting everything correctly. If not I'll be happy to edit or post corrections after the fact.
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SuperMacGuy   Hub failure at Summit Point   Sep 25 2010, 05:09 PM
00 SS   Chris, I'm glad you and your car are OK. I g...   Sep 25 2010, 06:40 PM
marka   Howdy, How much time was on the hubs and when was...   Sep 25 2010, 10:16 PM
CMC #37   Wow! Glad you are ok. Do let us know what happ...   Sep 26 2010, 09:42 PM
00 SS   As soon as I know, I let you all know.   Sep 26 2010, 09:48 PM
rocky   The carousel is the slowest part of that track I a...   Sep 27 2010, 07:19 PM
cozog   Did you get much warning? When mine failed it was ...   Sep 28 2010, 02:12 PM
rmackintosh   VERY glad that you are OK! Glad it is all ...   Sep 28 2010, 02:20 PM
SuperMacGuy   There wasn't really much warning. In fact ther...   Sep 28 2010, 04:36 PM
Chevy053   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 25 2010, 11:09 A...   Sep 28 2010, 05:24 PM
Doug Phillips   A friend in a Corvette just replaced his driver si...   Oct 4 2010, 12:29 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (Doug Phillips @ Oct 4 2010, 08...   Oct 4 2010, 07:44 PM
Doug Phillips   QUOTE (marka @ Oct 4 2010, 03:44 PM) Howd...   Oct 5 2010, 12:53 PM
SuperMacGuy   QUOTE (marka @ Oct 4 2010, 03:44 PM) Was ...   Oct 5 2010, 04:37 PM
00 SS   Chris, I think Mark was asking if the Corvette me...   Oct 7 2010, 07:00 PM
Doug Phillips   QUOTE (00 SS @ Oct 7 2010, 03:00 PM) Chri...   Oct 7 2010, 07:25 PM
Casey_SS   Any updates on this? Very glad you were able to e...   Oct 12 2010, 04:45 AM
SuperMacGuy   I have not heard from Mike yet. But, at the autocr...   Oct 27 2010, 01:50 AM
Lawson3565   I am Doug's friend and it was my 92 Vette that...   Oct 27 2010, 02:23 AM
robz71lm7   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 26 2010, 09:50 P...   Oct 27 2010, 12:42 PM
marka   Howdy, What sorta time was on the hubs from Mike ...   Oct 27 2010, 03:12 PM
SuperMacGuy   QUOTE (marka @ Oct 27 2010, 11:12 AM) Wha...   Oct 27 2010, 05:00 PM
SuperMacGuy   Here's a couple pix from the first failed one ...   Oct 28 2010, 02:37 AM
roostmeyer   Wow no beech marks or necking, looks like they wen...   Oct 28 2010, 06:22 PM
PeteL   QUOTE (roostmeyer @ Oct 28 2010, 02:22 PM...   Oct 29 2010, 12:46 AM
v7guy   has there been any updates on this?   Nov 3 2010, 08:30 AM
01badz28   QUOTE (v7guy @ Nov 3 2010, 03:30 AM) has ...   Nov 10 2010, 08:05 PM
robz71lm7   It would be interesting if some other owners of th...   Nov 13 2010, 02:56 AM
SuperMacGuy   QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Nov 12 2010, 09:56 PM)...   Nov 13 2010, 06:14 PM
00 SS   I have some dye penatrant on order. I'm going...   Nov 13 2010, 08:31 PM
Chevy053   QUOTE (00 SS @ Nov 13 2010, 03:31 PM) I h...   Jan 10 2011, 04:16 PM
craigz28   Yes, but a Dana 70 axle shaft does not carry any w...   Jan 11 2011, 12:38 AM
ReEntryRacer   Wow! Somebody from the 'loops! Not m...   Jan 11 2011, 03:45 AM
SuperMacGuy   I talked to Mike several days ago. Here's some...   Jan 15 2011, 08:11 PM
85t5mcss   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Jan 15 2011, 08:11 P...   Jan 16 2011, 12:38 AM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Jan 15 2011, 03:11 P...   Jan 16 2011, 06:30 PM
00 SS   Thanks for the offer on the seal catalog. But tha...   Jan 16 2011, 06:21 PM
StanIROCZ   Also, having a case and core in a part should perf...   Jan 16 2011, 06:57 PM
PeteL   I evaluated the broken parts for Mike. The main i...   Jan 17 2011, 01:01 AM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (PeteL @ Jan 16 2011, 08:01 PM) The...   Jan 17 2011, 04:36 AM
PeteL   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jan 16 2011, 11:36 PM)...   Jan 18 2011, 01:07 AM
00 SS   The part was "supposed" to be a forging....   Jan 17 2011, 06:02 PM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (00 SS @ Jan 17 2011, 01:02 PM) Car...   Jan 17 2011, 08:37 PM
00 SS   They only made C5 hubs. They never completed thei...   Jan 17 2011, 09:59 PM
StanIROCZ   Does the tone ring have the same tooth count? Wou...   Jan 17 2011, 10:54 PM
PeteL   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jan 17 2011, 05:54 PM)...   Jan 18 2011, 01:16 AM
SuperMacGuy   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jan 17 2011, 05:54 PM)...   Jan 18 2011, 03:40 PM
00 SS   A new upright with a C6 Z06 hub would be a good so...   Jan 17 2011, 11:03 PM
00 SS   Primarily A. They are a stronger factory design u...   Jan 18 2011, 03:44 PM
CMC #37   I know someone who went the Corvette hub route on ...   Jan 18 2011, 05:40 PM
00 SS   Any details of how they implemented it and which c...   Jan 18 2011, 06:16 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE (00 SS @ Jan 18 2011, 01:16 PM) Any...   Jan 18 2011, 06:19 PM
Chevy053   Does anyone know how long the C6-Z06 or 'Hardb...   Jan 25 2011, 08:35 PM
Mojave   QUOTE (Chevy053 @ Jan 25 2011, 02:35 PM) ...   Jan 26 2011, 01:49 AM

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