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Member ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 42 Joined: 14-February 09 From: Churubusco, IN, NE of Ft Wayne Member No.: 4,058 ![]() |
Greetings fellow F-body enthusiast!
I've created this new topic to introduce Hoosier Performance Engineering's first new product; a clean sheet approach to a billet front hub and bearing assembly for the 4th Gen F-bodies and C4 Corvettes. Many of the other hub/bearing threads are getting pretty long and don't really end with a sustainable solution, so I thought a new thread was in order. I won't bore you with the details on HPE, other than to say a group of highly qualified and skilled automotive engineers have gotten together to create performance products for the 4th Gens and modern muscle cars. You can read more about HPE on the General Discussions forum where Kevin introduced HPE as a new sponsor. I've been contemplating the 4th Gen front hub issues since I returned to Auto-X in the fall of '97 with the purchase of my first TA and began working in earnest on new designs in November of last year. What you see below is the result of two gear-heads' work for the past 7 or 8 months, plus over $6000 worth of invested in prototypes, tooling and CNC programming. Prototypes are installed and accumulating mileage and we will be ready to take orders as soon as the machine shop volume quotation is received and final pricing can is set. (Trying to wrap up pricing yet this week.) I'll let the pictures do the talking first, and then will follow up with some detailed descriptions of the components. Enjoy. Finished product: (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1014542_375876139190953_1528206097_o.jpg) , (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/976331_375876125857621_1907471607_o.jpg) Here's a disassembled OEM hub and the new HPE replacement parts. Note the OEM uses ball bearings while the other is tapered roller. On Timken's website, the tapered bearings are rated much higher in every category vs. the ball bearings. Small bearing has a 1.25" ID and the large bearing has an 1.5" ID. For comparison, the old GM RWD cars used like 7/8" and 1" bearings with the front spindle design. (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1009411_377277199050847_782089290_o.jpg) (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/999016_377277289050838_494724905_n.jpg) (IMG:https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1009351_377277345717499_1374075883_o.jpg) (IMG:https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1015137_377277329050834_2109600006_o.jpg) We use an inverted spindle design, much like OEM part, except ours is a two piece design with a wheel mounting flange and pin (spindle) that we shrink fit together. The shrink fit provides three times the push out force of an equivalent press fit. Pin, flange and housing were all coated with a clear zinc treatment. The pin has been case hardened in the two areas where the bearing races will rest. The mounting flange is case hardened where the seal will run. Specs were per the Timken recommendations for the bearings used. (IMG:https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/1008279_375876219190945_1586806985_o.jpg) Pin with locking washer, nut and small cap screws. The washer engages the key way in the in threaded end of the pin, the nut is added and torqued to desired preload, and when the threaded holes in the nut lines up with the holes in the washer, the cap screws are added as the retention mechanism, basically replacing the cotter pin in similar parts. (IMG:https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1014577_375876269190940_1184777397_o.jpg) (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1015262_375876245857609_442072466_o.jpg) Sub-assembly shown with dry bearings for clarity. (IMG:https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1015600_377277409050826_1257648155_o.jpg) These assemblies are completely rebuildable and repackable. Should be the last set you will ever need. I will add some more pictures of the prototypes installed on one of our cars. Please let me know what you think! |
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 271 Joined: 21-January 04 From: Enfield CT Member No.: 142 ![]() |
Very nice part.
Whats weight of one fully assembled? I'm assuming the two piece spindle and flange are never intended to be separated (via a press) in case of service of failure? |
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Member ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 42 Joined: 14-February 09 From: Churubusco, IN, NE of Ft Wayne Member No.: 4,058 ![]() |
Very nice part. Whats weight of one fully assembled? I'm assuming the two piece spindle and flange are never intended to be separated (via a press) in case of service of failure? Thanks Chevy053. They turned out better than expected. The stock part with studs weighs 8.3 lbs and the HPE part with the longer ARP studs weighs in at 10.2 lbs, or just under a two pound increase. Our intent with the shrink fit was to make the joint permanent. We were able to disassemble our first sample when the pin didn't sit flat against the flange doe to a radius issue. Just for grins, we tried to press it out with my 10 Ton press. We maxed the press out and nothing happened. Just as we were about to release the pressure, the was a loud pop and the pin moved a little bit. We kept pound on the press with a hammer and the shock load helped jar the parts and we eventually got them separated. A shrink fit with the same interference as a press fit has over 3 times the retention force of a press fit which is why we selected this method. We fixed the radius issue and reassembled this unit without issue, but because it has been pressed apart and re-shrunk, I'm not sure I want to put it on a car. We will have to conduct some further testing to see if pin replace is possible without losing system integrity, but for now I would say that the pin and mounting flange are not serviceable separately. |
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