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Jun 19 2013, 07:23 PM
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Member ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 42 Joined: 14-February 09 From: Churubusco, IN, NE of Ft Wayne Member No.: 4,058 |
Greetings fellow F-body enthusiast!
I've created this new topic to introduce Hoosier Performance Engineering's first new product; a clean sheet approach to a billet front hub and bearing assembly for the 4th Gen F-bodies and C4 Corvettes. Many of the other hub/bearing threads are getting pretty long and don't really end with a sustainable solution, so I thought a new thread was in order. I won't bore you with the details on HPE, other than to say a group of highly qualified and skilled automotive engineers have gotten together to create performance products for the 4th Gens and modern muscle cars. You can read more about HPE on the General Discussions forum where Kevin introduced HPE as a new sponsor. I've been contemplating the 4th Gen front hub issues since I returned to Auto-X in the fall of '97 with the purchase of my first TA and began working in earnest on new designs in November of last year. What you see below is the result of two gear-heads' work for the past 7 or 8 months, plus over $6000 worth of invested in prototypes, tooling and CNC programming. Prototypes are installed and accumulating mileage and we will be ready to take orders as soon as the machine shop volume quotation is received and final pricing can is set. (Trying to wrap up pricing yet this week.) I'll let the pictures do the talking first, and then will follow up with some detailed descriptions of the components. Enjoy. Finished product: (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1014542_375876139190953_1528206097_o.jpg) , (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/976331_375876125857621_1907471607_o.jpg) Here's a disassembled OEM hub and the new HPE replacement parts. Note the OEM uses ball bearings while the other is tapered roller. On Timken's website, the tapered bearings are rated much higher in every category vs. the ball bearings. Small bearing has a 1.25" ID and the large bearing has an 1.5" ID. For comparison, the old GM RWD cars used like 7/8" and 1" bearings with the front spindle design. (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1009411_377277199050847_782089290_o.jpg) (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/999016_377277289050838_494724905_n.jpg) (IMG:https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1009351_377277345717499_1374075883_o.jpg) (IMG:https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1015137_377277329050834_2109600006_o.jpg) We use an inverted spindle design, much like OEM part, except ours is a two piece design with a wheel mounting flange and pin (spindle) that we shrink fit together. The shrink fit provides three times the push out force of an equivalent press fit. Pin, flange and housing were all coated with a clear zinc treatment. The pin has been case hardened in the two areas where the bearing races will rest. The mounting flange is case hardened where the seal will run. Specs were per the Timken recommendations for the bearings used. (IMG:https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/1008279_375876219190945_1586806985_o.jpg) Pin with locking washer, nut and small cap screws. The washer engages the key way in the in threaded end of the pin, the nut is added and torqued to desired preload, and when the threaded holes in the nut lines up with the holes in the washer, the cap screws are added as the retention mechanism, basically replacing the cotter pin in similar parts. (IMG:https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1014577_375876269190940_1184777397_o.jpg) (IMG:https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1015262_375876245857609_442072466_o.jpg) Sub-assembly shown with dry bearings for clarity. (IMG:https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1015600_377277409050826_1257648155_o.jpg) These assemblies are completely rebuildable and repackable. Should be the last set you will ever need. I will add some more pictures of the prototypes installed on one of our cars. Please let me know what you think! |
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Aug 24 2013, 09:10 PM
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Member ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 42 Joined: 14-February 09 From: Churubusco, IN, NE of Ft Wayne Member No.: 4,058 |
Hey Guys, sorry I haven't been keeping up with the posting. It's been a rough 3 or 4 weeks that started with a kidney stone and surgery 4 days later (wasn't on my bucket list and don't ever want one again), followed up with the passing of my father and we just admitted my mother to the hospital this week. When my luck breaks, I'm going to buy a bunch of lottery tickets... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Sorry, back to the front hubs. I put a hold on the model shop order mid-July, just before they ordered all of the material. A few questions came up relative to heat treatment on the spindle/pin that I wanted to follow up on. Basically trying to dot all of our I's and cross all of our T's to make sure these things are absolutely bullet proof. We consulted with two more materials experts to get their input and feel we have covered everything. We kicked the machine shop back off last week and the raw materials arrived this week on Thursday. (I'll try to post a picture of all the material for 100 assemblies, its a lot of steel.) The spindle will still be made from the 4140 material, but will received a full heat treat and then case hardening to achieve the desired fatigue strength. For ease of assembly and maintenance, we left a small slip-fit between the spindle and the inner race of the bearings. Timken's design manual does recommend a press-fit designs with rotating spindle shafts, which ours is, but we thought we would give it a try first with the slip-fit. With the slip-fit, the bearings were walking around the shaft a bit and showing some signs of wear. We have updated the design per the Timken recommendations and the bearings will now be pressed onto the spindle, similar to the pinion shafts in many differentials. We are also adding a solid spacer with shims between the bearings' inner races to further enhance the design and lock all the parts in place. Placing the spindle in tension with the use of the bearing spacer will also enhance the fatigue strength of the assembly. The shop will start on the parts next week and we should have them back to us around the 3rd week of September. Assembly and shipping should take place the last week of September. I will post specifics for ordering in a few weeks. Pricing is $650 each, $1300 for set of two. |
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HoosierPE New 4th Gen Front Wheel Hubs/Bearings Jun 19 2013, 07:23 PM
Steve91T I would buy one just to put in a display case. The... Jun 19 2013, 07:38 PM
HoosierPE QUOTE (Steve91T @ Jun 19 2013, 03:38 PM) ... Jun 21 2013, 03:32 AM
00 SS Nice job. The two piece spindle and flange seems ... Jun 20 2013, 12:41 AM
HoosierPE QUOTE (00 SS @ Jun 19 2013, 08:41 PM) Nic... Jun 21 2013, 03:37 AM
93FirehawkTA Very nice! Jun 20 2013, 06:19 AM
SuperMacGuy OMFG. Thank you. Thank you so much. I am serious. Jun 20 2013, 04:29 PM
HoosierPE QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Jun 20 2013, 12:29 P... Jun 21 2013, 03:49 AM
bigbegum Count me in on a set! Thanks! Jun 21 2013, 04:32 AM
JimMueller What type of recurring maintenance will they need ... Jun 21 2013, 04:17 PM
HoosierPE QUOTE (JimMueller @ Jun 21 2013, 12:17 PM... Jun 21 2013, 08:06 PM
HoosierPE Here are some photo's of the prototypes instal... Jun 22 2013, 12:01 AM
93FirehawkTA Does your hub change wheel offset at all? Studyin... Jun 22 2013, 07:05 AM
Steve91T For CMC guys, pushing the wheels out some would be... Jun 22 2013, 01:35 PM
tonycook I'm interested.
Are the wheels pushed out at a... Jun 22 2013, 03:12 PM
HoosierPE The wheel mounting flange, where the rotor hat sit... Jun 22 2013, 08:47 PM
Chevy053 Very nice part.
Whats weight of one fully assembl... Jun 23 2013, 12:42 AM
HoosierPE QUOTE (Chevy053 @ Jun 22 2013, 08:42 PM) ... Jun 23 2013, 03:25 AM
jb442 I'm interested. Please add me to the list. Jun 23 2013, 08:15 AM
tonycook Since the wheel mounting dimensions are the same, ... Jun 24 2013, 03:13 AM
Chevy053 What was the reason for the design decision to go ... Jun 24 2013, 11:56 AM
HoosierPE QUOTE (Chevy053 @ Jun 24 2013, 07:56 AM) ... Jun 24 2013, 02:02 PM
Chevy053 QUOTE (HoosierPE @ Jun 24 2013, 10:02 AM)... Jun 27 2013, 03:06 AM
SuperMacGuy I am all for anything that is stronger than the cu... Jun 25 2013, 03:01 AM
HoosierPE QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Jun 24 2013, 11:01 P... Jun 25 2013, 04:03 AM
MarkT It's not that critical of a question (or issue... Jun 25 2013, 05:04 PM
HoosierPE QUOTE (MarkT @ Jun 25 2013, 01:04 PM) It... Jun 25 2013, 05:53 PM
00 SS FYI, if you can get the flange holes threaded, Tur... Jun 25 2013, 11:54 PM
SSTAT Jut this spring I officially depleted every junk y... Jun 26 2013, 01:17 AM
HoosierPE QUOTE (SSTAT @ Jun 25 2013, 09:17 PM) Jut... Jun 27 2013, 06:35 AM
SSTAT QUOTE (HoosierPE @ Jun 27 2013, 02:35 AM)... Jun 29 2013, 02:05 AM
mr.beachcomber QUOTE (SSTAT @ Jun 29 2013, 02:05 AM) ...... Jun 29 2013, 05:59 PM
93FirehawkTA Very interested. Thanks. Jun 26 2013, 02:28 PM
FASTFATBOY In for pricing and durability testing.
I want to ... Jun 26 2013, 09:02 PM
camarokid91 Any thoughts on these being ESP legal ? Jun 27 2013, 05:06 PM
Chevy053 QUOTE (camarokid91 @ Jun 27 2013, 01:06 P... Jun 27 2013, 07:16 PM
SuperMacGuy I'm not on the SEB, but my opinion is that, lo... Jun 28 2013, 12:26 AM
93FirehawkTA QUOTE (mr.beachcomber @ Jun 29 2013, 01:5... Jul 3 2013, 01:34 AM
HoosierPE Hey guys. Sorry I've been out of touch recent... Jul 4 2013, 04:27 AM
93FirehawkTA QUOTE (HoosierPE @ Jul 4 2013, 12:27 AM) ... Aug 24 2013, 01:26 AM
shortbus I am in. I will PM with my best contact info.
Tha... Jul 9 2013, 01:08 PM
GNC Rick Have these started shipping ? They look awesome ... Aug 19 2013, 08:38 AM
FASTFATBOY Did firm pricing ever come out? Aug 19 2013, 12:08 PM
93FirehawkTA Very sorry for your loss and troubles John. I... Aug 25 2013, 05:35 PM
StanIROCZ John sent me some of the design details of this hu... Sep 7 2013, 01:20 AM
matt f While my car was up on jacks the other day, I noti... Oct 25 2013, 04:37 PM
HoosierPE Hey Matt,
The first 100 pieces are nearly complet... Oct 25 2013, 06:04 PM
HoosierPE Happy New Year everyone!
Sorry I haven't ... Jan 18 2014, 05:56 PM
trackbird Nice work John! The ABS caps will be a nice ad... Jan 19 2014, 06:31 PM
HoosierPE Finally! All the parts are in and we are now ... Mar 11 2014, 02:03 PM
97bird i am interested !!! PM sent Mar 11 2014, 02:50 PM
Eugenio_SS Interested... Pm or email me Mar 12 2014, 02:09 AM
Jacks2000 I think these are mine. I received them today. Th... Mar 12 2014, 09:40 PM
93FirehawkTA Interested. Sending PM... Mar 14 2014, 07:55 AM
79T/A Nice looking parts. Does the plating offer any cor... Mar 14 2014, 04:35 PM
HoosierPE QUOTE (79T/A @ Mar 14 2014, 11:35 AM) Nic... Mar 18 2014, 03:52 AM
79T/A QUOTE (HoosierPE @ Mar 18 2014, 03:52 AM)... Mar 18 2014, 08:33 PM
Eugenio_SS aren't stock studs 10mm ?
What is the impact o... Mar 18 2014, 03:43 PM
ReEntryRacer QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Mar 18 2014, 08:43 AM... Mar 18 2014, 06:30 PM
Jacks2000 I requested the 1/2" studs to match my 9... Mar 18 2014, 06:37 PM
Eugenio_SS can't wait to see mine in person and see how t... Mar 20 2014, 08:33 PM
93FirehawkTA Received mine. Impressive. Hopefully will get to... Mar 25 2014, 10:03 AM
SS Performance Any updates or information from people that have u... Jul 27 2014, 02:04 AM
Jacks2000 I've run two weekends plus one test day in A S... Jul 28 2014, 02:39 PM
Eugenio_SS Installed.. Haven't driven on them yet Aug 29 2014, 07:57 PM
98z28camarojg Any update from anyone on these hubs? Just replace... Sep 22 2014, 03:44 AM
SuperMacGuy Some people have had a good majority of the year o... Sep 22 2014, 04:44 PM
Zedzag In for some updates here as well. Just killed a st... Oct 1 2014, 05:52 AM
InfernalVortex QUOTE (Zedzag @ Oct 1 2014, 12:52 AM) In ... Nov 8 2014, 07:28 AM
camarokid91 Looking for some reviews after about a year of pro... Jun 1 2015, 05:12 PM
FormulaJoe Any Updates? Interested in a set. Was wondering wh... Jan 19 2017, 05:45 PM
Rampant QUOTE (FormulaJoe @ Jan 19 2017, 12:45 PM... Jan 22 2017, 03:41 PM
Smitty2919 Keep in mind HPE may not always offer parts for th... Feb 2 2017, 02:40 PM
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