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| No El-Use-O.    Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52  | 
				So......a long long time ago I spent a bunch of time here. And then I didn’t (long story) Well I’m pretty much set on the idea I’m going to be autocrossing a 4th gen again. So what has changed? Some things I’ve found already: Tires are drastically more expensive Available “good” r compound options are even more limited Street prepared has some allowances I would have liked to have way back when The “newer cars” have taken over ESP Wheels have gone up in price. I think I only paid $400-450/wheel for CCW’s CAM C looks like a class that I’d probably run in “most” of the time just for the participation. What else has changed in 10 years LOL | 
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|  Sep 3 2018, 11:39 PM 
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| Experienced Member    Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,019 Joined: 18-September 04 From: State College, PA Member No.: 462  | 
				Without typing for 30 minutes, it sort of boils down to the rules being totally open. That people take literally new cars and class them in the class primarily meant for resto-mod type cars. All the other traditional classes are really tightly defined.
				
				
				
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|  Sep 4 2018, 02:18 AM 
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| Veteran Member      Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,908 Joined: 3-July 04 From: Pearland, Texas Member No.: 385  | Without typing for 30 minutes, it sort of boils down to the rules being totally open. That people take literally new cars and class them in the class primarily meant for resto-mod type cars. All the other traditional classes are really tightly defined. Pretty much. I have one friend with a BSP Vette who is moving to CAM, another friend who has a 3rd Gen Camaro who ran in CAM until our region mad a local class that suited him better, and a third friend with a ‘18 ZL1 1LE SS Camaro who runs CAM. He ran CAM in his ‘16 1LE SS Camaro, too. | 
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 ESPCamaro   SO WHAT HAS CHANGED??   Aug 12 2018, 12:41 PM
 ESPCamaro   SO WHAT HAS CHANGED??   Aug 12 2018, 12:41 PM 
  axoid   Not only have tires gotten more expensive, but if ...   Aug 12 2018, 05:11 PM
 axoid   Not only have tires gotten more expensive, but if ...   Aug 12 2018, 05:11 PM
 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (axoid @ Aug 12 2018, 11:11 AM) Not...   Aug 12 2018, 05:20 PM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (axoid @ Aug 12 2018, 11:11 AM) Not...   Aug 12 2018, 05:20 PM

 
  axoid   Those tire prices are a little misleading. Hoosier...   Aug 13 2018, 05:05 PM
 axoid   Those tire prices are a little misleading. Hoosier...   Aug 13 2018, 05:05 PM 
  SuperMacGuy   I've got a set of CCW 17x11s for sale, with or...   Aug 13 2018, 10:00 PM
 SuperMacGuy   I've got a set of CCW 17x11s for sale, with or...   Aug 13 2018, 10:00 PM
 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Aug 13 2018, 04:00 P...   Aug 14 2018, 12:34 AM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Aug 13 2018, 04:00 P...   Aug 14 2018, 12:34 AM

 
  slowTA   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)...   Aug 14 2018, 01:11 AM
 slowTA   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)...   Aug 14 2018, 01:11 AM

 
  landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)...   Aug 15 2018, 11:26 AM
 landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)...   Aug 15 2018, 11:26 AM 
  CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 07:41 AM)...   Aug 14 2018, 02:17 AM
 CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 07:41 AM)...   Aug 14 2018, 02:17 AM 
  rpoz-29   I bought 275-40-17 Nitto NT-01's earlier this ...   Aug 19 2018, 11:03 PM
 rpoz-29   I bought 275-40-17 Nitto NT-01's earlier this ...   Aug 19 2018, 11:03 PM 
  GCrites80s   Are the good tires such as the Rival and ZIII suit...   Aug 24 2018, 01:29 AM
 GCrites80s   Are the good tires such as the Rival and ZIII suit...   Aug 24 2018, 01:29 AM 
  BigEnos   A7s are competitive over a much longer lifespan th...   Aug 26 2018, 04:27 PM
 BigEnos   A7s are competitive over a much longer lifespan th...   Aug 26 2018, 04:27 PM 
  ESPCamaro   The lack of participation, the cost of tires and t...   Sep 2 2018, 01:44 PM
 ESPCamaro   The lack of participation, the cost of tires and t...   Sep 2 2018, 01:44 PM 
  SuperMacGuy   As much as I complain about CAM classes, I may do ...   Sep 2 2018, 11:14 PM
 SuperMacGuy   As much as I complain about CAM classes, I may do ...   Sep 2 2018, 11:14 PM
 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 2 2018, 06:14 PM...   Sep 3 2018, 02:50 PM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 2 2018, 06:14 PM...   Sep 3 2018, 02:50 PM 
  ESPCamaro   Yeah I’d like to see the new Camaro/Mustang cars...   Sep 3 2018, 02:14 PM
 ESPCamaro   Yeah I’d like to see the new Camaro/Mustang cars...   Sep 3 2018, 02:14 PM 
  ESPCamaro   Nothing is as nice as driving your car on a traile...   Sep 3 2018, 02:15 PM
 ESPCamaro   Nothing is as nice as driving your car on a traile...   Sep 3 2018, 02:15 PM 
  ESPCamaro   One thing that has changed for sure.....
All forum...   Sep 8 2018, 09:16 PM
 ESPCamaro   One thing that has changed for sure.....
All forum...   Sep 8 2018, 09:16 PM 
  SuperMacGuy   Internet slowness is a product of a few things: Ev...   Sep 8 2018, 10:12 PM
 SuperMacGuy   Internet slowness is a product of a few things: Ev...   Sep 8 2018, 10:12 PM 
  landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 08:41 AM)...   Sep 9 2018, 02:22 PM
 landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 08:41 AM)...   Sep 9 2018, 02:22 PM
 
  79T/A   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 9 2018, 02:2...   Sep 10 2018, 07:30 PM
 79T/A   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 9 2018, 02:2...   Sep 10 2018, 07:30 PM
 
  trackbird   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 8 2018, 05:16 PM) ...   Sep 11 2018, 11:01 AM
 trackbird   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 8 2018, 05:16 PM) ...   Sep 11 2018, 11:01 AM 
  CrashTestDummy   OH, is that landstuhltaylor here?  Nice!  Yes,...   Sep 11 2018, 01:10 PM
 CrashTestDummy   OH, is that landstuhltaylor here?  Nice!  Yes,...   Sep 11 2018, 01:10 PM
 
  landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 11 2018, 09:1...   Sep 11 2018, 02:06 PM
 landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 11 2018, 09:1...   Sep 11 2018, 02:06 PM

 
  mkm   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09...   Sep 11 2018, 09:11 PM
 mkm   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09...   Sep 11 2018, 09:11 PM


 
  landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (mkm @ Sep 11 2018, 05:11 PM) QUOTE...   Sep 11 2018, 11:16 PM
 landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (mkm @ Sep 11 2018, 05:11 PM) QUOTE...   Sep 11 2018, 11:16 PM



 
  mkm   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 06...   Sep 12 2018, 01:19 PM
 mkm   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 06...   Sep 12 2018, 01:19 PM




 
  landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 12 2018, 08:4...   Sep 12 2018, 01:54 PM
 landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 12 2018, 08:4...   Sep 12 2018, 01:54 PM

 
  CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09...   Sep 12 2018, 12:46 PM
 CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09...   Sep 12 2018, 12:46 PM 
  slowTA   What year was the T2R built?   Sep 11 2018, 10:28 PM
 slowTA   What year was the T2R built?   Sep 11 2018, 10:28 PM 
  79T/A   You need some preload in that thing, otherwise the...   Sep 12 2018, 10:42 PM
 79T/A   You need some preload in that thing, otherwise the...   Sep 12 2018, 10:42 PM
 
  landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (79T/A @ Sep 12 2018, 06:42 PM) You...   Sep 12 2018, 11:44 PM
 landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (79T/A @ Sep 12 2018, 06:42 PM) You...   Sep 12 2018, 11:44 PM 
  ESPCamaro   What is an M29?
The mustang runs without a backse...   Sep 14 2018, 03:43 AM
 ESPCamaro   What is an M29?
The mustang runs without a backse...   Sep 14 2018, 03:43 AM
 
  trackbird   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 11:43 PM)...   Sep 14 2018, 11:06 AM
 trackbird   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 11:43 PM)...   Sep 14 2018, 11:06 AM

 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (trackbird @ Sep 14 2018, 05:06 AM)...   Sep 14 2018, 01:37 PM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (trackbird @ Sep 14 2018, 05:06 AM)...   Sep 14 2018, 01:37 PM


 
  landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 14 2018, 09:37 AM)...   Sep 14 2018, 03:21 PM
 landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 14 2018, 09:37 AM)...   Sep 14 2018, 03:21 PM



 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 09...   Sep 14 2018, 06:14 PM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 09...   Sep 14 2018, 06:14 PM
 
  CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 10:43 PM)...   Sep 14 2018, 01:08 PM
 CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 10:43 PM)...   Sep 14 2018, 01:08 PM

 
  landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 14 2018, 09:0...   Sep 14 2018, 01:25 PM
 landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 14 2018, 09:0...   Sep 14 2018, 01:25 PM


 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 07...   Sep 14 2018, 01:39 PM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 07...   Sep 14 2018, 01:39 PM 
  ESPCamaro   Or maybe there is something else 
Idk.   Sep 14 2018, 06:16 PM
 ESPCamaro   Or maybe there is something else 
Idk.   Sep 14 2018, 06:16 PM 
  SuperMacGuy   You could get a trans rebuild and spec the other g...   Sep 15 2018, 12:48 AM
 SuperMacGuy   You could get a trans rebuild and spec the other g...   Sep 15 2018, 12:48 AM
 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 14 2018, 06:48 P...   Sep 15 2018, 11:38 AM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 14 2018, 06:48 P...   Sep 15 2018, 11:38 AM

 
  CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 15 2018, 06:38 AM)...   Sep 15 2018, 09:10 PM
 CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 15 2018, 06:38 AM)...   Sep 15 2018, 09:10 PM


 
  landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 15 2018, 05:1...   Sep 16 2018, 06:31 AM
 landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 15 2018, 05:1...   Sep 16 2018, 06:31 AM 
  Smitty2919   CAM-C, then you don't have to sweat the small ...   Sep 27 2018, 11:35 AM
 Smitty2919   CAM-C, then you don't have to sweat the small ...   Sep 27 2018, 11:35 AM
 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (Smitty2919 @ Sep 27 2018, 05:35 AM...   Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (Smitty2919 @ Sep 27 2018, 05:35 AM...   Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM

 
  00PewterSS   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM)...   Oct 12 2018, 01:10 AM
 00PewterSS   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM)...   Oct 12 2018, 01:10 AM


 
  mikedamageinc   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 09:10 PM...   Oct 12 2018, 02:05 PM
 mikedamageinc   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 09:10 PM...   Oct 12 2018, 02:05 PM


 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 07:10 PM...   Oct 13 2018, 09:54 PM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 07:10 PM...   Oct 13 2018, 09:54 PM 
  ESPCamaro   Another big change:
Sounds like TONS of people use...   Oct 4 2018, 02:03 PM
 ESPCamaro   Another big change:
Sounds like TONS of people use...   Oct 4 2018, 02:03 PM 
  SuperMacGuy   Yeah I've seen it too - the tablets hooked to ...   Oct 4 2018, 04:16 PM
 SuperMacGuy   Yeah I've seen it too - the tablets hooked to ...   Oct 4 2018, 04:16 PM
 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 4 2018, 10:16 AM...   Oct 4 2018, 06:06 PM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 4 2018, 10:16 AM...   Oct 4 2018, 06:06 PM
 
  Mojave   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 4 2018, 11:16 AM...   Oct 4 2018, 07:36 PM
 Mojave   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 4 2018, 11:16 AM...   Oct 4 2018, 07:36 PM

 
  ESPCamaro   QUOTE (Mojave @ Oct 4 2018, 01:36 PM) QUO...   Oct 4 2018, 10:04 PM
 ESPCamaro   QUOTE (Mojave @ Oct 4 2018, 01:36 PM) QUO...   Oct 4 2018, 10:04 PM 
  ESPCamaro   The other thing is I suspect it’s most useful fo...   Oct 4 2018, 06:09 PM
 ESPCamaro   The other thing is I suspect it’s most useful fo...   Oct 4 2018, 06:09 PM
 
  landstuhltaylor   It has some value as a single driver car, it has m...   Oct 4 2018, 07:26 PM
 landstuhltaylor   It has some value as a single driver car, it has m...   Oct 4 2018, 07:26 PM

 
  CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Oct 4 2018, 02:2...   Oct 12 2018, 04:59 PM
 CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Oct 4 2018, 02:2...   Oct 12 2018, 04:59 PM 
  Hardrvin   For basic data logging and review, look into cell ...   Oct 20 2018, 12:35 PM
 Hardrvin   For basic data logging and review, look into cell ...   Oct 20 2018, 12:35 PM|   | 
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