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Aug 12 2018, 12:41 PM
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No El-Use-O. ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52 |
So......a long long time ago I spent a bunch of time here. And then I didn’t (long story)
Well I’m pretty much set on the idea I’m going to be autocrossing a 4th gen again. So what has changed? Some things I’ve found already: Tires are drastically more expensive Available “good” r compound options are even more limited Street prepared has some allowances I would have liked to have way back when The “newer cars” have taken over ESP Wheels have gone up in price. I think I only paid $400-450/wheel for CCW’s CAM C looks like a class that I’d probably run in “most” of the time just for the participation. What else has changed in 10 years LOL |
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Oct 4 2018, 04:16 PM
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Experienced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,021 Joined: 18-September 04 From: State College, PA Member No.: 462 |
Yeah I've seen it too - the tablets hooked to cams where you can review your run right away. With graphs and whatnot. I dunno. I don't think that's cheating, but, a good driver should be able to think back and know where they made mistakes. It should be a level playing field. Either no one has data acq, or everyone does.
You can drop over $800 on a good new tablet and video setup. Also, I"m sort of a luddite and think the over-computerification of F1 for example has taken all the interest out of it. I want the DRIVER to be in control, not the traction control or the pit lane guys telling him he's got to do this or that. I have absolutely zero interest in watching "self driving cars racing". |
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Oct 4 2018, 07:36 PM
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I suck at the auto-x :( ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,421 Joined: 21-April 05 From: TX Member No.: 727 |
Yeah I've seen it too - the tablets hooked to cams where you can review your run right away. With graphs and whatnot. I dunno. I don't think that's cheating, but, a good driver should be able to think back and know where they made mistakes. It should be a level playing field. Either no one has data acq, or everyone does. You can drop over $800 on a good new tablet and video setup. Also, I"m sort of a luddite and think the over-computerification of F1 for example has taken all the interest out of it. I want the DRIVER to be in control, not the traction control or the pit lane guys telling him he's got to do this or that. I have absolutely zero interest in watching "self driving cars racing". There have been have's and have not's in racing since the dawn of the automobile. $800 is less than one set of tires and a good daq will last for years and years. If you want a spec class, go run SSC. |
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Oct 4 2018, 10:04 PM
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No El-Use-O. ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52 |
Yeah I've seen it too - the tablets hooked to cams where you can review your run right away. With graphs and whatnot. I dunno. I don't think that's cheating, but, a good driver should be able to think back and know where they made mistakes. It should be a level playing field. Either no one has data acq, or everyone does. You can drop over $800 on a good new tablet and video setup. Also, I"m sort of a luddite and think the over-computerification of F1 for example has taken all the interest out of it. I want the DRIVER to be in control, not the traction control or the pit lane guys telling him he's got to do this or that. I have absolutely zero interest in watching "self driving cars racing". There have been have's and have not's in racing since the dawn of the automobile. $800 is less than one set of tires and a good daq will last for years and years. If you want a spec class, go run SSC. Unfortunately that’s going to be the case for forever. If someone has enough money to justify 10k on a set of shocks they’ll spend it. |
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ESPCamaro SO WHAT HAS CHANGED?? Aug 12 2018, 12:41 PM
axoid Not only have tires gotten more expensive, but if ... Aug 12 2018, 05:11 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (axoid @ Aug 12 2018, 11:11 AM) Not... Aug 12 2018, 05:20 PM
axoid Those tire prices are a little misleading. Hoosier... Aug 13 2018, 05:05 PM
SuperMacGuy I've got a set of CCW 17x11s for sale, with or... Aug 13 2018, 10:00 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Aug 13 2018, 04:00 P... Aug 14 2018, 12:34 AM
slowTA QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)... Aug 14 2018, 01:11 AM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)... Aug 15 2018, 11:26 AM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 07:41 AM)... Aug 14 2018, 02:17 AM
rpoz-29 I bought 275-40-17 Nitto NT-01's earlier this ... Aug 19 2018, 11:03 PM
GCrites80s Are the good tires such as the Rival and ZIII suit... Aug 24 2018, 01:29 AM
BigEnos A7s are competitive over a much longer lifespan th... Aug 26 2018, 04:27 PM
ESPCamaro The lack of participation, the cost of tires and t... Sep 2 2018, 01:44 PM
SuperMacGuy As much as I complain about CAM classes, I may do ... Sep 2 2018, 11:14 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 2 2018, 06:14 PM... Sep 3 2018, 02:50 PM
ESPCamaro Yeah I’d like to see the new Camaro/Mustang cars... Sep 3 2018, 02:14 PM
ESPCamaro Nothing is as nice as driving your car on a traile... Sep 3 2018, 02:15 PM
SuperMacGuy Without typing for 30 minutes, it sort of boils do... Sep 3 2018, 11:39 PM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 3 2018, 06:39 PM... Sep 4 2018, 02:18 AM
ESPCamaro One thing that has changed for sure.....
All forum... Sep 8 2018, 09:16 PM
SuperMacGuy Internet slowness is a product of a few things: Ev... Sep 8 2018, 10:12 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 08:41 AM)... Sep 9 2018, 02:22 PM
79T/A QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 9 2018, 02:2... Sep 10 2018, 07:30 PM
trackbird QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 8 2018, 05:16 PM) ... Sep 11 2018, 11:01 AM
CrashTestDummy OH, is that landstuhltaylor here? Nice! Yes,... Sep 11 2018, 01:10 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 11 2018, 09:1... Sep 11 2018, 02:06 PM
mkm QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09... Sep 11 2018, 09:11 PM

landstuhltaylor QUOTE (mkm @ Sep 11 2018, 05:11 PM) QUOTE... Sep 11 2018, 11:16 PM

mkm QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 06... Sep 12 2018, 01:19 PM

landstuhltaylor QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 12 2018, 08:4... Sep 12 2018, 01:54 PM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09... Sep 12 2018, 12:46 PM
slowTA What year was the T2R built? Sep 11 2018, 10:28 PM
79T/A You need some preload in that thing, otherwise the... Sep 12 2018, 10:42 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (79T/A @ Sep 12 2018, 06:42 PM) You... Sep 12 2018, 11:44 PM
ESPCamaro What is an M29?
The mustang runs without a backse... Sep 14 2018, 03:43 AM
trackbird QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 11:43 PM)... Sep 14 2018, 11:06 AM

ESPCamaro QUOTE (trackbird @ Sep 14 2018, 05:06 AM)... Sep 14 2018, 01:37 PM

landstuhltaylor QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 14 2018, 09:37 AM)... Sep 14 2018, 03:21 PM

ESPCamaro QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 09... Sep 14 2018, 06:14 PM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 10:43 PM)... Sep 14 2018, 01:08 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 14 2018, 09:0... Sep 14 2018, 01:25 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 07... Sep 14 2018, 01:39 PM
ESPCamaro Or maybe there is something else
Idk. Sep 14 2018, 06:16 PM
SuperMacGuy You could get a trans rebuild and spec the other g... Sep 15 2018, 12:48 AM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 14 2018, 06:48 P... Sep 15 2018, 11:38 AM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 15 2018, 06:38 AM)... Sep 15 2018, 09:10 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 15 2018, 05:1... Sep 16 2018, 06:31 AM
Smitty2919 CAM-C, then you don't have to sweat the small ... Sep 27 2018, 11:35 AM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (Smitty2919 @ Sep 27 2018, 05:35 AM... Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM
00PewterSS QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM)... Oct 12 2018, 01:10 AM
mikedamageinc QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 09:10 PM... Oct 12 2018, 02:05 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 07:10 PM... Oct 13 2018, 09:54 PM
ESPCamaro Another big change:
Sounds like TONS of people use... Oct 4 2018, 02:03 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 4 2018, 10:16 AM... Oct 4 2018, 06:06 PM
ESPCamaro The other thing is I suspect it’s most useful fo... Oct 4 2018, 06:09 PM
landstuhltaylor It has some value as a single driver car, it has m... Oct 4 2018, 07:26 PM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Oct 4 2018, 02:2... Oct 12 2018, 04:59 PM
Hardrvin For basic data logging and review, look into cell ... Oct 20 2018, 12:35 PM![]() ![]() |
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