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Aug 12 2018, 12:41 PM
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No El-Use-O. ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52 |
So......a long long time ago I spent a bunch of time here. And then I didn’t (long story)
Well I’m pretty much set on the idea I’m going to be autocrossing a 4th gen again. So what has changed? Some things I’ve found already: Tires are drastically more expensive Available “good” r compound options are even more limited Street prepared has some allowances I would have liked to have way back when The “newer cars” have taken over ESP Wheels have gone up in price. I think I only paid $400-450/wheel for CCW’s CAM C looks like a class that I’d probably run in “most” of the time just for the participation. What else has changed in 10 years LOL |
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Oct 4 2018, 06:09 PM
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No El-Use-O. ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52 |
The other thing is I suspect it’s most useful for drivers who need the most improvement which will be me
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Oct 4 2018, 07:26 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 491 Joined: 12-January 07 Member No.: 1,587 |
It has some value as a single driver car, it has much more value if there are two drivers in it.
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Oct 12 2018, 04:59 PM
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Veteran Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,932 Joined: 3-July 04 From: Pearland, Texas Member No.: 385 |
It has some value as a single driver car, it has much more value if there are two drivers in it. I've found the learning curve to be pretty steep for most of those systems. I find simple video where you can see most of the track and driver inputs to be fairly-useful, but mostly after the fact. With the short time between runs at most regional events, you rarely have time to do the overlay of driver runs to compare, and since most of the 'lipstick' cameras, downloading the recorded videos to some device where you can review the run usually takes more time than the actual run itself. I guess the stuff could be useful 'semi-live' if you had a quick way to grab the memory card out of the camera and get it plugged into a laptop of tablet, but with everything else that usually happens between rounds, you really need a 'crew member' dedicated to just the datalogging stuff to get the time to get the data transferred and reviewed. Still, we DO record, though, both data (we currently use the Petrel SoloStorm on a Galaxy Tab 4), and video (we have two Re-Play cameras, a 1080-Mini (our first RePlay camera) we use to record output from our A/F meter, and a PrimeX we use to record driver actions and the car run with the camera pointing out the windshield), but rarely view the output until we get home and have decompressed from the event. The last even video should be fun to watch, since I did ground-loop the car on my last run. All-in-all, I probably have about $1000 in the current package, but have gone through a CamFX (worked fine until the controller quit booting) and a Canon digital video camera (didn't at all like the vibrations it was exposed to, and would frequently just quit working and shut itself off, even when recording to a memory card). It seems the next step up in data logging is about 2X+ what we've currently spent. Still mulling that over, but hopefully we'd get something a bit more user-friendly. |
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ESPCamaro SO WHAT HAS CHANGED?? Aug 12 2018, 12:41 PM
axoid Not only have tires gotten more expensive, but if ... Aug 12 2018, 05:11 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (axoid @ Aug 12 2018, 11:11 AM) Not... Aug 12 2018, 05:20 PM
axoid Those tire prices are a little misleading. Hoosier... Aug 13 2018, 05:05 PM
SuperMacGuy I've got a set of CCW 17x11s for sale, with or... Aug 13 2018, 10:00 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Aug 13 2018, 04:00 P... Aug 14 2018, 12:34 AM
slowTA QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)... Aug 14 2018, 01:11 AM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)... Aug 15 2018, 11:26 AM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 07:41 AM)... Aug 14 2018, 02:17 AM
rpoz-29 I bought 275-40-17 Nitto NT-01's earlier this ... Aug 19 2018, 11:03 PM
GCrites80s Are the good tires such as the Rival and ZIII suit... Aug 24 2018, 01:29 AM
BigEnos A7s are competitive over a much longer lifespan th... Aug 26 2018, 04:27 PM
ESPCamaro The lack of participation, the cost of tires and t... Sep 2 2018, 01:44 PM
SuperMacGuy As much as I complain about CAM classes, I may do ... Sep 2 2018, 11:14 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 2 2018, 06:14 PM... Sep 3 2018, 02:50 PM
ESPCamaro Yeah I’d like to see the new Camaro/Mustang cars... Sep 3 2018, 02:14 PM
ESPCamaro Nothing is as nice as driving your car on a traile... Sep 3 2018, 02:15 PM
SuperMacGuy Without typing for 30 minutes, it sort of boils do... Sep 3 2018, 11:39 PM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 3 2018, 06:39 PM... Sep 4 2018, 02:18 AM
ESPCamaro One thing that has changed for sure.....
All forum... Sep 8 2018, 09:16 PM
SuperMacGuy Internet slowness is a product of a few things: Ev... Sep 8 2018, 10:12 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 08:41 AM)... Sep 9 2018, 02:22 PM
79T/A QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 9 2018, 02:2... Sep 10 2018, 07:30 PM
trackbird QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 8 2018, 05:16 PM) ... Sep 11 2018, 11:01 AM
CrashTestDummy OH, is that landstuhltaylor here? Nice! Yes,... Sep 11 2018, 01:10 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 11 2018, 09:1... Sep 11 2018, 02:06 PM
mkm QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09... Sep 11 2018, 09:11 PM

landstuhltaylor QUOTE (mkm @ Sep 11 2018, 05:11 PM) QUOTE... Sep 11 2018, 11:16 PM

mkm QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 06... Sep 12 2018, 01:19 PM

landstuhltaylor QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 12 2018, 08:4... Sep 12 2018, 01:54 PM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09... Sep 12 2018, 12:46 PM
slowTA What year was the T2R built? Sep 11 2018, 10:28 PM
79T/A You need some preload in that thing, otherwise the... Sep 12 2018, 10:42 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (79T/A @ Sep 12 2018, 06:42 PM) You... Sep 12 2018, 11:44 PM
ESPCamaro What is an M29?
The mustang runs without a backse... Sep 14 2018, 03:43 AM
trackbird QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 11:43 PM)... Sep 14 2018, 11:06 AM

ESPCamaro QUOTE (trackbird @ Sep 14 2018, 05:06 AM)... Sep 14 2018, 01:37 PM

landstuhltaylor QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 14 2018, 09:37 AM)... Sep 14 2018, 03:21 PM

ESPCamaro QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 09... Sep 14 2018, 06:14 PM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 10:43 PM)... Sep 14 2018, 01:08 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 14 2018, 09:0... Sep 14 2018, 01:25 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 07... Sep 14 2018, 01:39 PM
ESPCamaro Or maybe there is something else
Idk. Sep 14 2018, 06:16 PM
SuperMacGuy You could get a trans rebuild and spec the other g... Sep 15 2018, 12:48 AM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 14 2018, 06:48 P... Sep 15 2018, 11:38 AM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 15 2018, 06:38 AM)... Sep 15 2018, 09:10 PM
landstuhltaylor QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 15 2018, 05:1... Sep 16 2018, 06:31 AM
Smitty2919 CAM-C, then you don't have to sweat the small ... Sep 27 2018, 11:35 AM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (Smitty2919 @ Sep 27 2018, 05:35 AM... Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM
00PewterSS QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM)... Oct 12 2018, 01:10 AM
mikedamageinc QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 09:10 PM... Oct 12 2018, 02:05 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 07:10 PM... Oct 13 2018, 09:54 PM
ESPCamaro Another big change:
Sounds like TONS of people use... Oct 4 2018, 02:03 PM
SuperMacGuy Yeah I've seen it too - the tablets hooked to ... Oct 4 2018, 04:16 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 4 2018, 10:16 AM... Oct 4 2018, 06:06 PM
Mojave QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 4 2018, 11:16 AM... Oct 4 2018, 07:36 PM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (Mojave @ Oct 4 2018, 01:36 PM) QUO... Oct 4 2018, 10:04 PM
Hardrvin For basic data logging and review, look into cell ... Oct 20 2018, 12:35 PM![]() ![]() |
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