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firehawkclone
post Sep 30 2004, 03:10 AM
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last weekend at buttonwillow raceway,two(thats three this year) racers were killed while driving a convertable car(austin healy) with no rollcage! I thought you had to have a rollcage even if it was a OT day,am i right?

im not to sure on the fact's,but i think it was a jaguar.the men were 46 and 70 yrs of age,and they went off after the lost hill turn down in the sweeper(a nice med speed right hander).

I just thought some poeple should know! I work some kind of emergency skill everytime i go to the track.

anyway im thinking more than im writing and it looks like............

Can we get a section on safety?
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post Sep 30 2004, 02:13 PM
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As far as having a roof vs a convertable, it isn't necessarily a ticket to an injury free day. In a rollover, I have doubts as to the effectiveness of a T top F body. Forget the zillion pieces of glass, how effective the T top will be is rather questionable.

Even full roof of whatever brand isn't a total answer for an injury free open track day or even some demo laps. The roof can still fail. Only a true cage can prevent the catestrophic damage of a rollover.


Also realize that some full roof cars are very disceptive vs a T-top car as far as safety. On 4th gen Camaro's the ONLY differences in the roof of a full roof car is the two small supports for the top of the window seal, the roof skin, and of course the headliner. The supports are easily knocked out with a BFH for T-top conversions because they are only tack welded in place. The roof skin again is only tack welded in place and a headliner won't help you in a roll over of course. After I saw this I had to laugh because some people think the T-top cars are unsafe in roll overs when in reality for 4th gen Camaro's the "roll structure" is the same for T-top and non T-top cars.
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firehawkclone   passing of two racers!   Sep 30 2004, 03:10 AM
Dewey316   I read the thread about this on corner-carvers. I...   Sep 30 2004, 05:08 AM
CMC #37   QUOTE bakersfield.com Archive Article Two men die...   Sep 30 2004, 05:24 AM
steve-d   As far as having a roof vs a convertable, it isn...   Sep 30 2004, 01:45 PM
pknowles   QUOTE As far as having a roof vs a convertable, it...   Sep 30 2004, 02:13 PM
trackbird   Steve, I forgot I had that on my site.   Sep 30 2004, 02:20 PM
CMC #37   Posted on a message board 10/1: QUOTE Deleted due...   Oct 3 2004, 01:10 AM
Q-ship   Unfortunately, the incident mentioned in Julie...   Oct 3 2004, 02:29 PM
rmackintosh   That is just horrendous. My thoughts go out to b...   Oct 3 2004, 04:12 PM
CMC #37   Randy, I hope your friends are ok. As racers we al...   Oct 3 2004, 06:09 PM
GaryK   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Oct 3 2004, 01:09 PM)I'm...   Oct 3 2004, 09:28 PM
CMC #37   Gary, if you are already a NASA member just go to ...   Oct 4 2004, 12:16 AM
roy   That is tragic.   Oct 4 2004, 07:29 AM
steve-d   The differeing safety devices (HANS vs Hutchens vs...   Oct 4 2004, 12:04 PM
CMC #37   For the story on the Thunderhill incident: http:/...   Oct 5 2004, 02:46 AM
tracknut   Really sad, sad events, and so close together. I c...   Oct 5 2004, 03:37 AM
Eugenio_SS   scary stuff... It's always sad to see people p...   Oct 10 2004, 02:56 AM

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