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| Advanced Member   Group: Advanced Members Posts: 588 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Sterling, IL Member No.: 7  | 
				Last fall, GM announced a reduction in GTO production and had to offer large rebates on this brand new model to sell off inventory In December, GM had a 301 day supply of SSR's on hand. Then the XLR gets a production cut from 23 to 12 a day. There's a 200 day supply of them out there. Cadillac hoped to sell 6,000 annually, but through 18 months, sold just 4,744. February, GM decides to cut $1500-$2000 off the sticker mid-year on Trailblazers/Envoys/Rainiers and currently has 0% for 60 months to get them selling again. TrailBlazer sales fell 46% compared with January 2004. Envoy sales were off 52% and Rainier 27% according to Autodata reports. Then for March, the factory that produces the LaCrosse & Grand Prix is shutting down for a week. Then the earnings forecast for 2005 drops 80%. Stocks drop to 8 year low. I think this goes back to cutting the Camaro and Firebird out of the lineup. | 
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|  Mar 16 2005, 10:17 PM 
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| Senior Member       Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27  | QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 16 2005, 01:44 PM) Otherwise, a BMW 330Ci or Audi S4 (M coupe.....Mmmmmm) are climbing towards the top of my list. I'm not a fan of most Japaneese cars (who needs reliability anyway?), but I might go back to Germany for my next one. Unless something changes or I decide on a new Corvette, I don't think I'll be buying anything GM anytime soon (maybe a truck, but I'd probably buy a Ford or Dodge). .....I don't think you'll find bliss in Germany....at least not with a BMW and from what I have heard of the problems at the other German giants... I had a moment of weakness a couple of years ago and broke down and bought a SWEET 530 for my wife...it was a dealer car for 6 months and was lowered just a touch...all the badges were gone, it had M5 wheels on it, etc., etc......it was as nice as you can go in a BMW WITHOUT going M3 or M5....most people thought IT WAS an M5... DAMN THING RAN GOOD FOR ONE FREAKIN' MONTH THE ENTIRE TWO YEARS I OWED THE POS.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Went through two dealers, BMW North America, and BMW in the "mutherland" ...rebuilt the motor once and the heads TWICE!! before they figured out it was a $30 cam timing sensor off of the motor....when I bitched as to how they missed that FOR TWO YEARS... I was told....."This is your first BMW isn't it? These cars are VERY complicated machines, and things of this nature are not uncommon..." I watched the BMW N.A. rep give the same B.S. to two other PISSED customers right behind me....as I walked out, both said they were trading their cars in the next weekend on a Volvo and an Audi. I myself traded it in a week later on the Escalade....STILL the nicest vehicle we have ever owned....if only my wife could have gotten over the "I don't like driving a truck..." thing... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) [/RANT] ....sorry BMW's REALLY piss me off! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) | 
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 Absolut Speed   Get it together GM   Mar 16 2005, 06:23 PM
 Absolut Speed   Get it together GM   Mar 16 2005, 06:23 PM 
  rmackintosh   GM is "hurtin' for certain" these da...   Mar 16 2005, 07:10 PM
 rmackintosh   GM is "hurtin' for certain" these da...   Mar 16 2005, 07:10 PM 
  trackbird   I think there is a lot at work here.
Consider tha...   Mar 16 2005, 07:12 PM
 trackbird   I think there is a lot at work here.
Consider tha...   Mar 16 2005, 07:12 PM 
  pknowles   I agree with Randy, other then the vette, some cad...   Mar 16 2005, 07:33 PM
 pknowles   I agree with Randy, other then the vette, some cad...   Mar 16 2005, 07:33 PM 
  trackbird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 02:33 PM)I agr...   Mar 16 2005, 07:44 PM
 trackbird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 02:33 PM)I agr...   Mar 16 2005, 07:44 PM 
  pknowles   QUOTE Sure they do, they have that abomination of ...   Mar 16 2005, 07:48 PM
 pknowles   QUOTE Sure they do, they have that abomination of ...   Mar 16 2005, 07:48 PM 
  trackbird   You can't polish a turd.
It's sad that th...   Mar 16 2005, 07:51 PM
 trackbird   You can't polish a turd.
It's sad that th...   Mar 16 2005, 07:51 PM 
  rpoz-29   When I bought my Camaro, I received an email from ...   Mar 16 2005, 10:42 PM
 rpoz-29   When I bought my Camaro, I received an email from ...   Mar 16 2005, 10:42 PM 
  Absolut Speed   I was kidding about the Camaro/Firebird thing, but...   Mar 16 2005, 10:52 PM
 Absolut Speed   I was kidding about the Camaro/Firebird thing, but...   Mar 16 2005, 10:52 PM 
  00 SS   I have to agree.  GM has very little I would consi...   Mar 16 2005, 11:03 PM
 00 SS   I have to agree.  GM has very little I would consi...   Mar 16 2005, 11:03 PM 
  jensend   Just don't get it.  Enthusiasts, like those on...   Mar 16 2005, 11:31 PM
 jensend   Just don't get it.  Enthusiasts, like those on...   Mar 16 2005, 11:31 PM 
  Jeff97FST/A   Given the choice between a Kobalt/Malibu/Monte Car...   Mar 16 2005, 11:37 PM
 Jeff97FST/A   Given the choice between a Kobalt/Malibu/Monte Car...   Mar 16 2005, 11:37 PM 
  trackbird   Randy,
I fully understand the German car issues. ...   Mar 16 2005, 11:58 PM
 trackbird   Randy,
I fully understand the German car issues. ...   Mar 16 2005, 11:58 PM 
  rmackintosh   Yikes!   
I just heard that about VW's......   Mar 17 2005, 12:09 AM
 rmackintosh   Yikes!   
I just heard that about VW's......   Mar 17 2005, 12:09 AM 
  JonV   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 01:33 PM)I...   Mar 17 2005, 12:28 AM
 JonV   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 01:33 PM)I...   Mar 17 2005, 12:28 AM 
  94bird   You know, all of you missed one of the biggest con...   Mar 17 2005, 03:30 AM
 94bird   You know, all of you missed one of the biggest con...   Mar 17 2005, 03:30 AM 
  pknowles   QUOTE I would like to go test drive the new Dodge ...   Mar 17 2005, 03:48 AM
 pknowles   QUOTE I would like to go test drive the new Dodge ...   Mar 17 2005, 03:48 AM 
  94bird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 11:48 PM)The ...   Mar 17 2005, 03:53 AM
 94bird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 11:48 PM)The ...   Mar 17 2005, 03:53 AM 
  trackbird   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 16 2005, 10:30 PM)Regardl...   Mar 17 2005, 04:04 AM
 trackbird   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 16 2005, 10:30 PM)Regardl...   Mar 17 2005, 04:04 AM 
  trackbird   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Mar 16 2005, 07:09 PM).....   Mar 17 2005, 04:15 AM
 trackbird   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Mar 16 2005, 07:09 PM).....   Mar 17 2005, 04:15 AM 
  TOO Z MAXX   I just bought a new truck a few months ago and I w...   Mar 17 2005, 05:06 AM
 TOO Z MAXX   I just bought a new truck a few months ago and I w...   Mar 17 2005, 05:06 AM 
  Eugenio_SS   they used to be innovative and take risks... they ...   Mar 17 2005, 05:41 AM
 Eugenio_SS   they used to be innovative and take risks... they ...   Mar 17 2005, 05:41 AM 
  Absolut Speed   The pension problem (and it's a BIG problem) h...   Mar 17 2005, 06:10 AM
 Absolut Speed   The pension problem (and it's a BIG problem) h...   Mar 17 2005, 06:10 AM 
  Rob Hood   Have had very few problems with my 99 Z; 59K miles...   Mar 17 2005, 06:13 AM
 Rob Hood   Have had very few problems with my 99 Z; 59K miles...   Mar 17 2005, 06:13 AM 
  35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 01:33 PM)Also ...   Mar 17 2005, 06:42 AM
 35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 01:33 PM)Also ...   Mar 17 2005, 06:42 AM 
  Absolut Speed   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Mar 17 2005, 12:13 AM)The w...   Mar 17 2005, 07:42 AM
 Absolut Speed   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Mar 17 2005, 12:13 AM)The w...   Mar 17 2005, 07:42 AM 
  Teutonic Speedracer   These talks of German cars......you guys ever try ...   Mar 17 2005, 12:04 PM
 Teutonic Speedracer   These talks of German cars......you guys ever try ...   Mar 17 2005, 12:04 PM 
  77chevy   Just thought I'd add my lil .02.  GM is hurtin...   Mar 17 2005, 01:05 PM
 77chevy   Just thought I'd add my lil .02.  GM is hurtin...   Mar 17 2005, 01:05 PM 
  mitchntx   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 16 2005, 10:15 PM)I to...   Mar 17 2005, 01:12 PM
 mitchntx   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 16 2005, 10:15 PM)I to...   Mar 17 2005, 01:12 PM 
  Eugenio_SS   looks like Toyota is taking a lot of market share....   Mar 17 2005, 01:45 PM
 Eugenio_SS   looks like Toyota is taking a lot of market share....   Mar 17 2005, 01:45 PM 
  Soma07   QUOTE (Teutonic Speedracer @ Mar 17 2005, 06:...   Mar 17 2005, 01:59 PM
 Soma07   QUOTE (Teutonic Speedracer @ Mar 17 2005, 06:...   Mar 17 2005, 01:59 PM 
  LT4Firehawk   The only vehicle GM makes that I would consider bu...   Mar 17 2005, 02:59 PM
 LT4Firehawk   The only vehicle GM makes that I would consider bu...   Mar 17 2005, 02:59 PM 
  Mericet   As far as GM products is concerned the Cobalt migh...   Mar 17 2005, 03:02 PM
 Mericet   As far as GM products is concerned the Cobalt migh...   Mar 17 2005, 03:02 PM 
  trackbird   I bitch about my VW's, but I'm dumb enough...   Mar 17 2005, 03:45 PM
 trackbird   I bitch about my VW's, but I'm dumb enough...   Mar 17 2005, 03:45 PM 
  AllZWay   GM only makes a hand full of vehicles that most pe...   Mar 17 2005, 05:02 PM
 AllZWay   GM only makes a hand full of vehicles that most pe...   Mar 17 2005, 05:02 PM 
  trackbird   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Mar 17 2005, 12:02 PM)I woul...   Mar 17 2005, 05:05 PM
 trackbird   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Mar 17 2005, 12:02 PM)I woul...   Mar 17 2005, 05:05 PM 
  WS6WRX   trackbird, don't buy an Mcoupe w/ out doing so...   Mar 18 2005, 12:49 AM
 WS6WRX   trackbird, don't buy an Mcoupe w/ out doing so...   Mar 18 2005, 12:49 AM 
  94bird   QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Mar 17...   Mar 18 2005, 03:42 AM
 94bird   QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Mar 17...   Mar 18 2005, 03:42 AM 
  94bird   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 17 2005, 12:04 AM)QUOT...   Mar 18 2005, 03:51 AM
 94bird   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 17 2005, 12:04 AM)QUOT...   Mar 18 2005, 03:51 AM 
  rpoz-29   My dad was the parts manager at a local Chevrolet ...   Mar 18 2005, 01:21 PM
 rpoz-29   My dad was the parts manager at a local Chevrolet ...   Mar 18 2005, 01:21 PM 
  rmackintosh   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 17 2005, 09:51 PM)Things ...   Mar 18 2005, 04:04 PM
 rmackintosh   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 17 2005, 09:51 PM)Things ...   Mar 18 2005, 04:04 PM 
  JonV   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 16 2005, 09:30 PM)You kno...   Mar 18 2005, 04:25 PM
 JonV   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 16 2005, 09:30 PM)You kno...   Mar 18 2005, 04:25 PM 
  LT4Firehawk   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 17 2005, 09:51 PM)The UAW...   Mar 18 2005, 04:39 PM
 LT4Firehawk   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 17 2005, 09:51 PM)The UAW...   Mar 18 2005, 04:39 PM 
  rmackintosh   QUOTE (LT4Firehawk @ Mar 18 2005, 10:39 AM)QU...   Mar 18 2005, 08:22 PM
 rmackintosh   QUOTE (LT4Firehawk @ Mar 18 2005, 10:39 AM)QU...   Mar 18 2005, 08:22 PM 
  pimpmaro   Yeah, that was my 2002 that also had the waterpump...   Mar 19 2005, 07:34 AM
 pimpmaro   Yeah, that was my 2002 that also had the waterpump...   Mar 19 2005, 07:34 AM 
  94bird   Man, are the Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS hot look...   Mar 29 2005, 02:56 AM
 94bird   Man, are the Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS hot look...   Mar 29 2005, 02:56 AM 
  Absolut Speed   The Maxx is the latest in the goofy designs GM has...   Mar 29 2005, 03:25 AM
 Absolut Speed   The Maxx is the latest in the goofy designs GM has...   Mar 29 2005, 03:25 AM 
  bobbylee   The Malibu's are very reminiscent of certain c...   Mar 29 2005, 04:58 AM
 bobbylee   The Malibu's are very reminiscent of certain c...   Mar 29 2005, 04:58 AM 
  Trance   I'd take the cheap Korean car at this point.  ...   Mar 29 2005, 06:06 AM
 Trance   I'd take the cheap Korean car at this point.  ...   Mar 29 2005, 06:06 AM 
  35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Mar 18 2005, 10:04 AM)QU...   Mar 29 2005, 06:16 AM
 35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Mar 18 2005, 10:04 AM)QU...   Mar 29 2005, 06:16 AM 
  severous01   my new car will be the new Jetta GLI or Audi A4 qu...   Mar 29 2005, 09:31 PM
 severous01   my new car will be the new Jetta GLI or Audi A4 qu...   Mar 29 2005, 09:31 PM 
  trackbird   QUOTE (pimpmaro @ Mar 19 2005, 02:34 AM)Kevin...   Mar 29 2005, 09:36 PM
 trackbird   QUOTE (pimpmaro @ Mar 19 2005, 02:34 AM)Kevin...   Mar 29 2005, 09:36 PM 
  LT4Firehawk   There are really only a couple of ways for GM to g...   Mar 29 2005, 09:42 PM
 LT4Firehawk   There are really only a couple of ways for GM to g...   Mar 29 2005, 09:42 PM 
  94bird   Some GM employees are suing GM now because GM...   Mar 29 2005, 11:49 PM
 94bird   Some GM employees are suing GM now because GM...   Mar 29 2005, 11:49 PM 
  trackbird   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 29 2005, 06:49 PM)Some GM...   Mar 30 2005, 12:55 AM
 trackbird   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 29 2005, 06:49 PM)Some GM...   Mar 30 2005, 12:55 AM|   | 
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