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post Mar 16 2005, 06:23 PM
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Last fall, GM announced a reduction in GTO production and had to offer large rebates on this brand new model to sell off inventory

In December, GM had a 301 day supply of SSR's on hand.

Then the XLR gets a production cut from 23 to 12 a day. There's a 200 day supply of them out there. Cadillac hoped to sell 6,000 annually, but through 18 months, sold just 4,744.

February, GM decides to cut $1500-$2000 off the sticker mid-year on Trailblazers/Envoys/Rainiers and currently has 0% for 60 months to get them selling again. TrailBlazer sales fell 46% compared with January 2004. Envoy sales were off 52% and Rainier 27% according to Autodata reports.

Then for March, the factory that produces the LaCrosse & Grand Prix is shutting down for a week.

Then the earnings forecast for 2005 drops 80%. Stocks drop to 8 year low.

I think this goes back to cutting the Camaro and Firebird out of the lineup.
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post Mar 18 2005, 03:42 AM
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QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Mar 17 2005, 02:42 AM)
QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 01:33 PM)
Also GM doesn't have a low budget performance car (~20k) that the base Z28 was.

And neither does anyone else, nor will they ever again.


SRT4. Granted, not exactly the same market, but it's definitely a performance car when you look at the numbers.

BTW, for more reading about the history behind GM's woes, try this: http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0.../A01-120183.htm . There are other links that cover their troubles, also in this article.

Eugenio, Toyota does a lot more right than just having good quality and finish. Their whole product development cycle is completely different, and much more structured than the Big 3. Toyota's whole philosophy is very conservative. They simply do not take risks. Their motto must be "slow and steady wins the race". Fact is, it's working. When I was working for Federal-Mogul a few years ago I flew to Japan a few times working on a Nissan engine program. Every time I'd also go to Toyota and meet with their engineering supervisors. Each time we talked the conversations became a little longer and they started letting me in on a little more information and giving us slightly larger "investigations" so we could prove ourselves to them. Cost was certainly an issue, but they were much more concerned that their suppliers had the right attitude and had the technical "know-how" to meet their standards. Go into GM looking for new business and the general perception is the lowest cost provider wins, regardless of technical ability. If you get the business on the basis of low cost and can't step up to the plate quality or delivery wise, then it's time to sic purchasing and the quality guys on you and beat you into submission. The differences between GM and Toyota are just so huge it's amazing.
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Absolut Speed   Get it together GM   Mar 16 2005, 06:23 PM
rmackintosh   GM is "hurtin' for certain" these da...   Mar 16 2005, 07:10 PM
trackbird   I think there is a lot at work here. Consider tha...   Mar 16 2005, 07:12 PM
pknowles   I agree with Randy, other then the vette, some cad...   Mar 16 2005, 07:33 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 02:33 PM)I agr...   Mar 16 2005, 07:44 PM
pknowles   QUOTE Sure they do, they have that abomination of ...   Mar 16 2005, 07:48 PM
trackbird   You can't polish a turd. It's sad that th...   Mar 16 2005, 07:51 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 16 2005, 01:44 PM)Othe...   Mar 16 2005, 10:17 PM
rpoz-29   When I bought my Camaro, I received an email from ...   Mar 16 2005, 10:42 PM
Absolut Speed   I was kidding about the Camaro/Firebird thing, but...   Mar 16 2005, 10:52 PM
00 SS   I have to agree. GM has very little I would consi...   Mar 16 2005, 11:03 PM
jensend   Just don't get it. Enthusiasts, like those on...   Mar 16 2005, 11:31 PM
Jeff97FST/A   Given the choice between a Kobalt/Malibu/Monte Car...   Mar 16 2005, 11:37 PM
trackbird   Randy, I fully understand the German car issues. ...   Mar 16 2005, 11:58 PM
rmackintosh   Yikes! I just heard that about VW's......   Mar 17 2005, 12:09 AM
JonV   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 01:33 PM)I...   Mar 17 2005, 12:28 AM
94bird   You know, all of you missed one of the biggest con...   Mar 17 2005, 03:30 AM
pknowles   QUOTE I would like to go test drive the new Dodge ...   Mar 17 2005, 03:48 AM
94bird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 11:48 PM)The ...   Mar 17 2005, 03:53 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 16 2005, 10:30 PM)Regardl...   Mar 17 2005, 04:04 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Mar 16 2005, 07:09 PM).....   Mar 17 2005, 04:15 AM
TOO Z MAXX   I just bought a new truck a few months ago and I w...   Mar 17 2005, 05:06 AM
Eugenio_SS   they used to be innovative and take risks... they ...   Mar 17 2005, 05:41 AM
Absolut Speed   The pension problem (and it's a BIG problem) h...   Mar 17 2005, 06:10 AM
Rob Hood   Have had very few problems with my 99 Z; 59K miles...   Mar 17 2005, 06:13 AM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 01:33 PM)Also ...   Mar 17 2005, 06:42 AM
Absolut Speed   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Mar 17 2005, 12:13 AM)The w...   Mar 17 2005, 07:42 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   These talks of German cars......you guys ever try ...   Mar 17 2005, 12:04 PM
77chevy   Just thought I'd add my lil .02. GM is hurtin...   Mar 17 2005, 01:05 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 16 2005, 10:15 PM)I to...   Mar 17 2005, 01:12 PM
Eugenio_SS   looks like Toyota is taking a lot of market share....   Mar 17 2005, 01:45 PM
Soma07   QUOTE (Teutonic Speedracer @ Mar 17 2005, 06:...   Mar 17 2005, 01:59 PM
LT4Firehawk   The only vehicle GM makes that I would consider bu...   Mar 17 2005, 02:59 PM
Mericet   As far as GM products is concerned the Cobalt migh...   Mar 17 2005, 03:02 PM
trackbird   I bitch about my VW's, but I'm dumb enough...   Mar 17 2005, 03:45 PM
AllZWay   GM only makes a hand full of vehicles that most pe...   Mar 17 2005, 05:02 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Mar 17 2005, 12:02 PM)I woul...   Mar 17 2005, 05:05 PM
WS6WRX   trackbird, don't buy an Mcoupe w/ out doing so...   Mar 18 2005, 12:49 AM
94bird   QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Mar 17...   Mar 18 2005, 03:42 AM
94bird   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 17 2005, 12:04 AM)QUOT...   Mar 18 2005, 03:51 AM
rpoz-29   My dad was the parts manager at a local Chevrolet ...   Mar 18 2005, 01:21 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 17 2005, 09:51 PM)Things ...   Mar 18 2005, 04:04 PM
JonV   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 16 2005, 09:30 PM)You kno...   Mar 18 2005, 04:25 PM
LT4Firehawk   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 17 2005, 09:51 PM)The UAW...   Mar 18 2005, 04:39 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (LT4Firehawk @ Mar 18 2005, 10:39 AM)QU...   Mar 18 2005, 08:22 PM
pimpmaro   Yeah, that was my 2002 that also had the waterpump...   Mar 19 2005, 07:34 AM
94bird   Man, are the Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS hot look...   Mar 29 2005, 02:56 AM
Absolut Speed   The Maxx is the latest in the goofy designs GM has...   Mar 29 2005, 03:25 AM
bobbylee   The Malibu's are very reminiscent of certain c...   Mar 29 2005, 04:58 AM
Trance   I'd take the cheap Korean car at this point. ...   Mar 29 2005, 06:06 AM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Mar 18 2005, 10:04 AM)QU...   Mar 29 2005, 06:16 AM
severous01   my new car will be the new Jetta GLI or Audi A4 qu...   Mar 29 2005, 09:31 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (pimpmaro @ Mar 19 2005, 02:34 AM)Kevin...   Mar 29 2005, 09:36 PM
LT4Firehawk   There are really only a couple of ways for GM to g...   Mar 29 2005, 09:42 PM
94bird   Some GM employees are suing GM now because GM...   Mar 29 2005, 11:49 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 29 2005, 06:49 PM)Some GM...   Mar 30 2005, 12:55 AM

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