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Warez
post Jul 24 2005, 06:31 AM
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I’ve seen this question thrown around very often on numerous F car forums with no real consensus reached. So which do you guys think is the better handling platform, the 3rd or 4th gen? Also was the 4th gen front suspension a superior design to the modified McPherson setup used on the 3rd gens? I often hear 3rd gen owners saying the 4th gen setup is inferior.
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post Jul 25 2005, 01:38 AM
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From my understanding the rear suspension are identical with all parts being interchangeable. However since the rear tracks are slightly different, doesn’t that mean that the 4th gen rear end is slightly wider than the 3rd gens? How exactly is the track measured anyways, is it the distance from one wheel mounting surface to the other?

With regard to the front suspension, the short and long arm (dual A-arm) design on 4th gens have superior camber characteristics by being able to keep the same camber when the suspension is compressed; whereas the McPherson suspension on 3rd gens loses its camber the more you compress the suspension?

Identical to the CTS suspension:

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http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/previewpage?005672

Also from my understanding, cars with McPherson strut suspensions provide optimal handling when the lower control arm is parallel to the road. When you lower these vehicles you move the instant centre below the road line which results in worse handling, such as in Fox body mustangs which actually handle worse when they are lowered unless you install the expensive lowering kits.

So it can’t be as clear cut as that, what else am I missing especially since most of you are tipping the hat to the 3rd gen?
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Warez   Handling: 3rd gen vs. 4th gen   Jul 24 2005, 06:31 AM
prockbp   third gens are lighter and more narrow than fourth...   Jul 24 2005, 06:53 AM
Warez   3rd gen Camaro dimensions: Wheelbase 10...   Jul 24 2005, 08:42 AM
KeithO   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jul 24 2005, 00:53)third gen...   Jul 24 2005, 09:54 AM
PF Flyer   I, too, have open tracked both. I currently run t...   Jul 24 2005, 12:05 PM
Judd   This post comes at a good time for me. I've be...   Jul 24 2005, 01:24 PM
KeithO   Some day I will be running a 3rd gen. The reason ...   Jul 24 2005, 01:25 PM
prockbp   QUOTE (Judd @ Jul 24 2005, 07:24)If you had y...   Jul 24 2005, 04:37 PM
prockbp   QUOTE (Warez @ Jul 24 2005, 02:42)Can ~1 inch...   Jul 24 2005, 05:36 PM
prockbp   QUOTE (Warez @ Jul 24 2005, 00:31)I often hea...   Jul 24 2005, 06:09 PM
slowTA   This is a great discussion, here is how I see it. ...   Jul 24 2005, 06:34 PM
CMC #37   This is a tough one! I have tracked both, howe...   Jul 24 2005, 06:54 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jul 24 2005, 11:36)QUOTE (Wa...   Jul 24 2005, 09:35 PM
patred   I've autocrossed a few 3rd and 4th gen F Bodi...   Jul 24 2005, 11:55 PM
Warez   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jul 24 2005, 12:09)what is t...   Jul 25 2005, 01:16 AM
Warez   From my understanding the rear suspension are iden...   Jul 25 2005, 01:38 AM
PF Flyer   ... you can tune a suspension on a 4th gen to run ...   Jul 25 2005, 02:21 AM
prockbp   QUOTE (Warez @ Jul 24 2005, 19:38)So it canâ€...   Jul 25 2005, 06:49 AM
robz71lm7   So how do these cars compare in CMC? CMC would be...   Jul 25 2005, 03:12 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jul 25 2005, 01:49)after adj...   Jul 25 2005, 03:57 PM
CMC #37   I meant to say something about CMC West and how th...   Jul 25 2005, 08:55 PM
CamaroFS34   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 25 2005, 10:57)Maybe i...   Jul 25 2005, 11:54 PM

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