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mitchntx
post Aug 29 2005, 11:33 AM
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Katrina is gonna cause a $.20 spike in fuel costs .....
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z28barnett
post Aug 29 2005, 07:54 PM
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Not all alcohol is the same.

You see two main types.

Methanol - Made from natural Gas.

Ethanol - Around here know as "Moon-Shine"

So since Methanol is made from natural gas, it is a fossil fuel and a product mainly of the oil industry.

Ethanol is much less corrosive than Methanol and a denser hydrocarbon.

Methanol eats rubber, steel, aluminum, and many plastics. Cars running pure methanol need stainless Steel fuel tanks and chrome plated carbs ect.

Unless I get a big price difference, I will not run either one. Less energy for the same price is not a good deal.

I am not sure that ethanol is a good idea either. You grow corn with petro-chemical fertilizer and hall it to the Ethanol plant with diesel trucks and trains. Heat and process it to get Ethanol, more energy put in the process. Haul it by truck to service stations.

At the end of this process you may have used more oil to produce the ethanol than the energy that you will get from burning it. Bad idea, lose lose, situation.

There is no real alternative to what we are doing now.

Something really scary was a stat that I read one time about food production. They stated that we expend 3 calories (A measure of heat) of fossil fuel for every calorie of food that we eat.

Real simple, we will starve without oil. Not a good situation.

I don't have a solution, but these ideas that people are hanging their hopes on are pretty worthless, the truth of the matter is that it is alot worse than people think.

I don't like our boys dieing in Iraq, but that oil is very important.

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mitchntx   Fill'er up today   Aug 29 2005, 11:33 AM
v7guy   Filled up last night before I went to work when I ...   Aug 29 2005, 11:40 AM
Ojustracing   Yeah Already done as of last night. It might be mo...   Aug 29 2005, 11:54 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   QUOTE (Ojustracing @ Aug 29 2005, 06:54)Enjoy...   Aug 29 2005, 12:22 PM
BigEnos   This is fantastic, right before I tow my car to To...   Aug 29 2005, 01:13 PM
severous01   i'm surprised that all you track gurus arent r...   Aug 29 2005, 03:35 PM
trackbird   Alcohol contains less energy per unit than gasolin...   Aug 29 2005, 04:02 PM
bubba353z   Isn't it about 2 to 1 - takes twice as much al...   Aug 29 2005, 05:00 PM
rmackintosh   ....my local gas stations are charging $3.29 ...   Aug 29 2005, 05:33 PM
ProjectJ   Yeah, I've always gone with the 2:1 figure. I...   Aug 29 2005, 05:42 PM
pknowles   I told the wife on my way out the door to top off ...   Aug 29 2005, 06:08 PM
98_1LE   I spent $60 at QT yesterday.   Aug 29 2005, 06:35 PM
axoid   QUOTE (ProjectJ @ Aug 29 2005, 11:42)Yeah, I...   Aug 29 2005, 07:00 PM
z28barnett   Not all alcohol is the same. You see two main typ...   Aug 29 2005, 07:54 PM
ProjectJ   QUOTE I remember that Ford built a test car that c...   Aug 29 2005, 07:59 PM
axoid   QUOTE (ProjectJ @ Aug 29 2005, 13:59)QUOTE I...   Aug 29 2005, 08:28 PM
mitchntx   Not walking ....   Aug 29 2005, 09:28 PM
nape   The gas spike has already hit my local gas station...   Aug 30 2005, 01:33 AM
pimpmaro   Not electricity? What about solar energy? Wind e...   Aug 30 2005, 02:26 AM
Rob Hood   $2.82 for premium on base tonight...expect it...   Aug 30 2005, 03:19 AM
z28barnett   QUOTE (pimpmaro @ Aug 29 2005, 20:26)Not elec...   Aug 30 2005, 03:39 AM
pimpmaro   I didn't mean to challenge you or even to say ...   Aug 30 2005, 03:47 AM
Rob Hood   I'd love to have a solar-powered house. Livin...   Aug 30 2005, 05:14 AM
mitchntx   QUOTE (z28barnett @ Aug 29 2005, 21:39)Nuclea...   Aug 30 2005, 10:02 AM
robz71lm7   :stupid: I'll add the History Channel as a r...   Aug 30 2005, 11:44 AM
pimpmaro   QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Aug 30 2005, 07:44):stupid...   Aug 30 2005, 11:47 AM
pknowles   I worked in the Nuclear industry doing catasrophy ...   Aug 30 2005, 02:58 PM
mitchntx   The plant I work at came on-line in '90 and ...   Aug 30 2005, 03:55 PM
robz71lm7   Mitch how many MW are your current unit/units? Th...   Aug 30 2005, 04:47 PM
mitchntx   1200 Mw each ...   Aug 30 2005, 05:07 PM
z28barnett   Mitch, You raise some good points, and provide so...   Aug 30 2005, 06:30 PM
rmackintosh   ...just filled up this morning.......... $72...   Aug 30 2005, 07:16 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (z28barnett @ Aug 30 2005, 12:30)The 8x...   Aug 30 2005, 07:20 PM
BigEnos   Where we get our electricity from is important, bu...   Aug 30 2005, 07:46 PM
TOO Z MAXX   I think renewables have a place in helping with th...   Aug 30 2005, 08:29 PM
z28barnett   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Aug 30 2005, 13:20)QUOTE (z...   Aug 30 2005, 09:06 PM
CMC #37   2.93gal for reg. unleaded today at Interstate in m...   Aug 30 2005, 09:22 PM
gillbot   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Aug 30 2005, 04:02)QUOTE (z...   Aug 30 2005, 09:45 PM
pimpmaro   As for the radioactive waste from nuclear power pl...   Aug 30 2005, 10:09 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (pimpmaro @ Aug 30 2005, 16:09)As for t...   Aug 30 2005, 10:34 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (z28barnett @ Aug 30 2005, 15:06)Even i...   Aug 30 2005, 10:46 PM
axoid   QUOTE (pimpmaro @ Aug 30 2005, 16:09)As for t...   Aug 30 2005, 10:51 PM
pimpmaro   Well that's the cost by nasa's terms... wh...   Aug 30 2005, 11:08 PM
axoid   QUOTE (pimpmaro @ Aug 30 2005, 17:08)Well tha...   Aug 31 2005, 12:35 AM
timyerby   The hydroelectric is looking more promising every ...   Aug 31 2005, 01:16 AM
mitchntx   Hydro plants work fantastic .... where there is fa...   Aug 31 2005, 02:10 AM
TOO Z MAXX   Using the tides and the ocean waves will not work ...   Aug 31 2005, 05:34 AM
Eugenio_SS   it's 116.9 / liter here. figure 4 liters per g...   Aug 31 2005, 06:20 AM
v7guy   The highest I've seen on my limited outting to...   Aug 31 2005, 09:12 AM
Ojustracing   Well Overnight it went up .30.. Super is now ...   Aug 31 2005, 12:32 PM
mitchntx   It only jumped $.20 here, since yesterday mor...   Aug 31 2005, 12:43 PM
AllZWay   It jumped 25 cents yesterday.   Aug 31 2005, 01:14 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   $3.03 to $3.53 here in NJ for 93!   Aug 31 2005, 01:47 PM
z28barnett   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Aug 30 2005, 16:46)QUOTE (z...   Aug 31 2005, 04:18 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (z28barnett @ Aug 31 2005, 10:18)QUOTE ...   Aug 31 2005, 05:31 PM
Jeff97FST/A   I've seen $3.15 in my part of New England...   Aug 31 2005, 09:40 PM
pimpmaro   3.29 here for 93 octane... Ugh.   Aug 31 2005, 10:30 PM
JonV   I just paid 1.24 for a liter of regular. 1.24 x 4...   Sep 1 2005, 12:40 AM
z28barnett   Premium $3.05 southern missouri.   Sep 1 2005, 01:21 AM
z28barnett   I wasn't sure about your state of affairs as ...   Sep 1 2005, 01:27 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (pimpmaro @ Aug 31 2005, 17:30)3.29 her...   Sep 1 2005, 01:36 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (pimpmaro @ Aug 30 2005, 18:08)Well tha...   Sep 1 2005, 01:41 AM
nape   $3.35/gal for regular in the Chicago 'bur...   Sep 1 2005, 01:45 AM
Mericet   QUOTE (trackbird @ Aug 31 2005, 21:41)QUOTE (...   Sep 1 2005, 03:19 AM
firehawkclone   I kinda like this :leaving: I am a bicycle tech...   Sep 1 2005, 04:03 AM
Rob Hood   Premium is $3.01 on base today...$3.11 j...   Sep 1 2005, 04:28 AM
JKnight   A guy on my E36 M3 list saw $2.78 when he wen...   Sep 1 2005, 05:10 AM
Rob Hood   The GA Gov did sign an executive order to sanction...   Sep 1 2005, 05:16 AM
pknowles   $3.55 for premium this morning. I can't ...   Sep 1 2005, 12:17 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   QUOTE (pknowles @ Sep 1 2005, 07:17)$3.5...   Sep 1 2005, 01:35 PM
pknowles   QUOTE The beater takes a long time to have payback...   Sep 1 2005, 01:49 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   $4.49 for 93 at the Gulf right next to work. ...   Sep 1 2005, 05:09 PM
v7guy   I saw 3.09 yesterday, it went up .11 in 12 hours, ...   Sep 1 2005, 05:32 PM
BigEnos   QUOTE (firehawkclone @ Aug 31 2005, 22:03)I k...   Sep 1 2005, 05:55 PM
trackbird   I'm 12 miles each way, but it's a trip thr...   Sep 1 2005, 06:11 PM
Mericet   QUOTE (trackbird @ Sep 1 2005, 14:11)I'm ...   Sep 1 2005, 06:21 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   I'm going 50 miles EACH way to work! It...   Sep 1 2005, 06:30 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Mericet @ Sep 1 2005, 13:21)QUOTE (tra...   Sep 1 2005, 06:34 PM
Mericet   QUOTE (trackbird @ Sep 1 2005, 14:34)A ...   Sep 1 2005, 06:54 PM
v7guy   and to think with the motor rebuild I've been ...   Sep 1 2005, 07:38 PM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (pknowles @ Sep 1 2005, 07:17)$3.5...   Sep 1 2005, 08:00 PM
robz71lm7   From what I understand it's not so much the cr...   Sep 1 2005, 08:07 PM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Sep 1 2005, 15:07)From wha...   Sep 1 2005, 08:34 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (z28barnett @ Aug 31 2005, 19:27)Mitch,...   Sep 1 2005, 09:31 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   Media sucks! They screw everything up. I hea...   Sep 2 2005, 01:39 AM
nape   QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Sep 1 2005, 14:00)Might I...   Sep 2 2005, 04:39 AM
bubba353z   QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Sep 1 2005, 14:00)Might I...   Sep 2 2005, 12:10 PM
Ojustracing   Well gas here is up again to 3.59 a gallon and 4 d...   Sep 2 2005, 12:40 PM
BigEnos   Rode the motorcycle to work today. 40-45mpg, great...   Sep 2 2005, 01:00 PM
axoid   QUOTE (bubba353z @ Sep 2 2005, 06:10)Not to p...   Sep 2 2005, 01:45 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (trackbird @ Sep 1 2005, 13:34)QUOTE (M...   Sep 2 2005, 08:18 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Sep 2 2005, 15:18)Of course...   Sep 2 2005, 08:37 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (trackbird @ Sep 2 2005, 15:37)We can s...   Sep 3 2005, 01:18 AM
bubba353z   QUOTE (axoid @ Sep 2 2005, 07:45)QUOTE (bubba...   Sep 3 2005, 01:26 AM
TOO Z MAXX   QUOTE (axoid @ Sep 2 2005, 07:45)QUOTE (bubba...   Sep 3 2005, 05:53 AM
bubba353z   I'm currently just North of Charlotte NC, and ...   Sep 3 2005, 12:00 PM
UKCamaroSS   I hope any of you who are in the affected area...   Sep 3 2005, 12:24 PM
bubba353z   QUOTE (UKCamaroSS @ Sep 3 2005, 06:24)Just to...   Sep 3 2005, 12:29 PM
gillbot   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Aug 30 2005, 16:34)QUOTE (p...   Sep 3 2005, 12:57 PM
v7guy   I looked at gas here for the first time in a coupl...   Sep 3 2005, 05:53 PM
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