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No El-Use-O. ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52 |
WHY?
You know what I do when I can't afford something. I don't buy it. Not some people if they can't afford it they just find a way to TAKE IT from someone who can. And ANY excuse to do so is fair game. Even if it involved you neibors being homeless or dead. I even heard that just now on the news that these morons were steeling guns and firing at national guard and aid choppers. Sometimes I think it would be just easier to shoot people like this than to bother with the "justice system" PUKE! |
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Sep 8 2005, 01:58 AM
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LS1 Inside! / Toolbox / Mechanical Engineer ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,215 Joined: 5-February 04 From: NJ Member No.: 179 |
Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone. Another aspect from a reporter.....long, but I think worth the read:
An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State An Objectivist Review by Robert Tracinski | The Intellectual Activist September 2, 2005 It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster. If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild. Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting. But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster. The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong. The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view. The man-made disaster is the welfare state. For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country. When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11). So what explains the chaos in New Orleans? To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story: "Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on. "The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire.... "Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders. "'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' " The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad. What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome? Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them? My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.) What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa. There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves. All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency. No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism. What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men. But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them. The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting. |
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ESPCamaro Looters in New Orleans Sep 1 2005, 09:43 AM
mitchntx That is just really sad ...
Looting for food or w... Sep 1 2005, 09:53 AM
Teutonic Speedracer Yeah, it shows how really screwed up some people a... Sep 1 2005, 10:51 AM
sgarnett QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 1 2005, 04:43)I even h... Sep 1 2005, 11:20 AM
pknowles It really taints my heart toward wanting to help t... Sep 1 2005, 12:27 PM
slowTA First you start off feeling sorry for everyone dow... Sep 1 2005, 12:34 PM
PF Flyer ... and, unfortunately, the worst is still yet to ... Sep 1 2005, 01:24 PM
trackbird Install a couple snipers on roof tops. If they are... Sep 1 2005, 01:36 PM
TwistedFocus I heard on the radio today that they are sending m... Sep 1 2005, 01:50 PM
pknowles QUOTE Sorry, it just irritates me when I see peopl... Sep 1 2005, 02:05 PM
Absolut Speed I figure the smart ones already left. New Orleans... Sep 1 2005, 02:11 PM
CMC #37 Please don't hold back any donations guys, the... Sep 1 2005, 04:45 PM
BigEnos I really hope that many of the businesses and peop... Sep 1 2005, 04:51 PM
v7guy the amazing part is that they have now stopped res... Sep 1 2005, 05:21 PM
CrashTestDummy QUOTE (mitchntx @ Sep 1 2005, 03:53)That is j... Sep 1 2005, 09:18 PM
robz71lm7 It's really sad, but when you look at it the p... Sep 2 2005, 01:12 AM
ESPCamaro The sad thing is that there are "charities... Sep 2 2005, 01:50 AM
sgarnett BTW, Mathew Patterson (00 Trans AM) lives in New O... Sep 2 2005, 02:15 AM
Mericet What really got my blood going me tonight was the ... Sep 2 2005, 04:04 AM
4manracing This whole thing is unbelievable and the jerks tha... Sep 2 2005, 10:37 PM
TOO Z MAXX I feel the looters who are stealing guns, stereos,... Sep 3 2005, 06:03 AM
trackbird I spend about as much time and money on my firearm... Sep 3 2005, 06:43 AM
93yellowfbody it's on what's going on over there i liv... Sep 3 2005, 01:36 PM
CMC #37 I agree with the part that the amount of people on... Sep 8 2005, 03:42 AM
Eugenio_SS QUOTE (sgarnett @ Sep 1 2005, 22:15)BTW, Math... Sep 8 2005, 06:29 AM
rmackintosh Personally, I think all the finger pointing ON BOT... Sep 8 2005, 03:56 PM
mitchntx The Feds act upon recommendations by the locals, d... Sep 8 2005, 05:11 PM
rmackintosh ...this kinda stuff is why I EVERY time someone... Sep 8 2005, 06:27 PM
ESPCamaro Huh fox news huh.
Funny that they concentrate on ... Sep 9 2005, 09:56 AM
rmackintosh QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 9 2005, 03:56)But in c... Sep 9 2005, 06:54 PM
pknowles I agree with Randy as far as don't blame Bush ... Sep 9 2005, 07:22 PM
sgarnett Trying to help refugees that are shooting back add... Sep 10 2005, 01:01 AM
rpoz-29 QUOTE It exposed US as americans. Not only are we ... Sep 10 2005, 01:02 AM
trackbird QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Sep 9 2005, 20:02)QUOTE... Sep 10 2005, 01:14 AM
rpoz-29 You're probably right. I read that the jails i... Sep 10 2005, 01:45 PM
sgarnett Yes, my heart goes out to both the public employee... Sep 10 2005, 03:34 PM
Teutonic Speedracer QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Sep 10 2005, 08:45)Of c... Sep 10 2005, 08:33 PM
Rob Hood Well, I've read this thread and have decided t... Sep 11 2005, 05:51 AM
bruecksteve The Wall Street Journal
September 6, 2005
COMMENTA... Sep 11 2005, 02:51 PM
bruecksteve Politics over duty
This is a post from a reporter... Sep 11 2005, 02:56 PM
Jeff97FST/A Last week I was at the local Wally World. There wa... Sep 11 2005, 03:05 PM
Rob Hood The looters are taking the goods (whatever they ar... Sep 11 2005, 04:12 PM
John_D. QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Sep 10 2005, 23:51)d. Keep... Sep 11 2005, 08:01 PM
robz71lm7 Want to make your blood boil?
http://mfile.akamai... Sep 13 2005, 04:18 AM
ESPCamaro They SHOULD be disarming everone. It will help to ... Sep 13 2005, 10:11 AM
Nick QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2005, 04:11)They SH... Sep 13 2005, 10:38 AM
rpoz-29 I don't think anyone can speak for how"mo... Sep 13 2005, 01:14 PM
trackbird Don't forget the abortion crowd (ok, the anti-... Sep 13 2005, 01:49 PM
robz71lm7 QUOTE They SHOULD be disarming everyone. It will h... Sep 13 2005, 01:57 PM
pknowles QUOTE If I were in NO, I'd be there armed. Sor... Sep 13 2005, 02:04 PM
trackbird QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Sep 13 2005, 08:57)QUOTE A... Sep 13 2005, 02:44 PM
robz71lm7 QUOTE So, who do you vote for?
Michael Badnarik. Sep 13 2005, 03:51 PM
Formula WS6 boy did this thread change topics.
personally i t... Sep 14 2005, 03:08 AM
Rob Hood QUOTE personally i think more people need to carry... Sep 14 2005, 03:44 AM
trackbird QUOTE (Formula WS6 @ Sep 13 2005, 22:08)perso... Sep 14 2005, 03:45 AM
Formula WS6 oh yeah i tried reading the lost dignity thread an... Sep 14 2005, 04:42 PM
Eugenio_SS QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Sep 8 2005, 02:29)QUOTE (... Sep 23 2005, 03:05 AM
Eugenio_SS QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Sep 22 2005, 23:05)QUOTE ... Oct 6 2005, 03:11 AM
Formula WS6 im hoping maybe hes just no longer frequenting thi... Oct 9 2005, 11:51 PM
z28barnett I voted for Bush, at the moment I feel pretty sill... Oct 10 2005, 12:21 AM
Eugenio_SS QUOTE (Formula WS6 @ Oct 9 2005, 19:51)im hop... Oct 10 2005, 11:24 PM
Formula WS6 oh well yeah that's definetly not a good sign.... Oct 12 2005, 12:15 AM
rpoz-29 Hopefully it's a matter of priorities, and he ... Oct 12 2005, 05:51 PM
robz71lm7 http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=58... Oct 13 2005, 02:12 AM
00 Trans Ram QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Sep 22 2005, 21:05)QUOTE ... Oct 13 2005, 02:55 AM
00 Trans Ram Oh, one other thing that pisses me off. Have ya... Oct 13 2005, 03:02 AM
Absolut Speed Glad to hear you're okay, with the added bonus... Oct 13 2005, 03:17 AM
Teutonic Speedracer Good to hear you are sorting things out, bummer ab... Oct 13 2005, 11:06 AM
rpoz-29 Glad you made it through. Some hellish pictures of... Oct 13 2005, 11:58 AM
Eugenio_SS Glad you kicking and breathing.
There is a lot of ... Oct 14 2005, 01:54 PM
firehawkclone Glad to hear that you and your family is well.
B... Oct 14 2005, 02:18 PM
00 Trans Ram QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Oct 14 2005, 07:54)Glad y... Oct 14 2005, 04:52 PM
CMC #37 I am glad you are ok; really sorry for your grandm... Oct 14 2005, 06:55 PM
Formula WS6 this is good news. glad to know you made it out. Oct 15 2005, 04:57 PM![]() ![]() |
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