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ESPCamaro
post Sep 1 2005, 09:43 AM
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WHY?

You know what I do when I can't afford something. I don't buy it. Not some people if they can't afford it they just find a way to TAKE IT from someone who can.

And ANY excuse to do so is fair game. Even if it involved you neibors being homeless or dead.


I even heard that just now on the news that these morons were steeling guns and firing at national guard and aid choppers.


Sometimes I think it would be just easier to shoot people like this than to bother with the "justice system"


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post Sep 8 2005, 01:58 AM
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Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone. Another aspect from a reporter.....long, but I think worth the read:

An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the
Welfare State


An Objectivist Review

by Robert Tracinski | The Intellectual Activist

September 2, 2005

It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure
out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them,
because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there.
The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are
confronting a natural disaster.

If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials
is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation
to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop
the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists,
natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people
pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors,
nurses and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.

Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to
do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they
are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did
not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but
about rape, murder, and looting.

But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by
federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane
Katrina This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has
gotten the story wrong.

The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not
happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades.
Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.

The man-made disaster is the welfare state.

For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be
confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave
in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in
other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been
saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even
what we expect from a Third World country.

When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion.
They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously
organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We
are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than
waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this
a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light
had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve
as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and
large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).

So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?

To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a
description from a Washington Times story:

"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists,
knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and
police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.

"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen
poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....

"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened
Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill
orders.

"'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,'
she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops
know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if
necessary and I expect they will.' "

The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this
article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on
an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of
squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks
exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.

What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for
an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to
storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers
to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack
the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?

Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further
destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help
them?

My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a
sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox
News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She
studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in
the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes,
one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The
projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and
irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)

What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a
whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the
informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New
Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so
who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects.
Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from
CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the
prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose.
There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is,
a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing
projects, and vice versa.

There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when
the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people
from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected,
over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness.
The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent
administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.

All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of
the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the
city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city
corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow
of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political
supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.

No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact,
some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for
example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted
an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from
the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos
on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the
chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.

What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of
the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is
behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the
responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond
to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome
the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the
government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a
disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about
saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything.
Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how
they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before.
Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is
a way of life for them.

The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains
and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness
that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is
reporting.
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ESPCamaro   Looters in New Orleans   Sep 1 2005, 09:43 AM
mitchntx   That is just really sad ... Looting for food or w...   Sep 1 2005, 09:53 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   Yeah, it shows how really screwed up some people a...   Sep 1 2005, 10:51 AM
sgarnett   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 1 2005, 04:43)I even h...   Sep 1 2005, 11:20 AM
pknowles   It really taints my heart toward wanting to help t...   Sep 1 2005, 12:27 PM
slowTA   First you start off feeling sorry for everyone dow...   Sep 1 2005, 12:34 PM
PF Flyer   ... and, unfortunately, the worst is still yet to ...   Sep 1 2005, 01:24 PM
trackbird   Install a couple snipers on roof tops. If they are...   Sep 1 2005, 01:36 PM
TwistedFocus   I heard on the radio today that they are sending m...   Sep 1 2005, 01:50 PM
pknowles   QUOTE Sorry, it just irritates me when I see peopl...   Sep 1 2005, 02:05 PM
Absolut Speed   I figure the smart ones already left. New Orleans...   Sep 1 2005, 02:11 PM
CMC #37   Please don't hold back any donations guys, the...   Sep 1 2005, 04:45 PM
BigEnos   I really hope that many of the businesses and peop...   Sep 1 2005, 04:51 PM
v7guy   the amazing part is that they have now stopped res...   Sep 1 2005, 05:21 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Sep 1 2005, 03:53)That is j...   Sep 1 2005, 09:18 PM
robz71lm7   It's really sad, but when you look at it the p...   Sep 2 2005, 01:12 AM
ESPCamaro   The sad thing is that there are "charities...   Sep 2 2005, 01:50 AM
sgarnett   BTW, Mathew Patterson (00 Trans AM) lives in New O...   Sep 2 2005, 02:15 AM
Mericet   What really got my blood going me tonight was the ...   Sep 2 2005, 04:04 AM
4manracing   This whole thing is unbelievable and the jerks tha...   Sep 2 2005, 10:37 PM
TOO Z MAXX   I feel the looters who are stealing guns, stereos,...   Sep 3 2005, 06:03 AM
trackbird   I spend about as much time and money on my firearm...   Sep 3 2005, 06:43 AM
93yellowfbody   it's on what's going on over there i liv...   Sep 3 2005, 01:36 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone. Another...   Sep 8 2005, 01:58 AM
CMC #37   I agree with the part that the amount of people on...   Sep 8 2005, 03:42 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Sep 1 2005, 22:15)BTW, Math...   Sep 8 2005, 06:29 AM
rmackintosh   Personally, I think all the finger pointing ON BOT...   Sep 8 2005, 03:56 PM
mitchntx   The Feds act upon recommendations by the locals, d...   Sep 8 2005, 05:11 PM
rmackintosh   ...this kinda stuff is why I EVERY time someone...   Sep 8 2005, 06:27 PM
ESPCamaro   Huh fox news huh. Funny that they concentrate on ...   Sep 9 2005, 09:56 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 9 2005, 03:56)But in c...   Sep 9 2005, 06:54 PM
pknowles   I agree with Randy as far as don't blame Bush ...   Sep 9 2005, 07:22 PM
sgarnett   Trying to help refugees that are shooting back add...   Sep 10 2005, 01:01 AM
rpoz-29   QUOTE It exposed US as americans. Not only are we ...   Sep 10 2005, 01:02 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Sep 9 2005, 20:02)QUOTE...   Sep 10 2005, 01:14 AM
rpoz-29   You're probably right. I read that the jails i...   Sep 10 2005, 01:45 PM
sgarnett   Yes, my heart goes out to both the public employee...   Sep 10 2005, 03:34 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Sep 10 2005, 08:45)Of c...   Sep 10 2005, 08:33 PM
Rob Hood   Well, I've read this thread and have decided t...   Sep 11 2005, 05:51 AM
bruecksteve   The Wall Street Journal September 6, 2005 COMMENTA...   Sep 11 2005, 02:51 PM
bruecksteve   Politics over duty This is a post from a reporter...   Sep 11 2005, 02:56 PM
Jeff97FST/A   Last week I was at the local Wally World. There wa...   Sep 11 2005, 03:05 PM
Rob Hood   The looters are taking the goods (whatever they ar...   Sep 11 2005, 04:12 PM
John_D.   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Sep 10 2005, 23:51)d. Keep...   Sep 11 2005, 08:01 PM
robz71lm7   Want to make your blood boil? http://mfile.akamai...   Sep 13 2005, 04:18 AM
ESPCamaro   They SHOULD be disarming everone. It will help to ...   Sep 13 2005, 10:11 AM
Nick   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2005, 04:11)They SH...   Sep 13 2005, 10:38 AM
rpoz-29   I don't think anyone can speak for how"mo...   Sep 13 2005, 01:14 PM
trackbird   Don't forget the abortion crowd (ok, the anti-...   Sep 13 2005, 01:49 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE They SHOULD be disarming everyone. It will h...   Sep 13 2005, 01:57 PM
pknowles   QUOTE If I were in NO, I'd be there armed. Sor...   Sep 13 2005, 02:04 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Sep 13 2005, 08:57)QUOTE A...   Sep 13 2005, 02:44 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE So, who do you vote for? Michael Badnarik.   Sep 13 2005, 03:51 PM
Formula WS6   boy did this thread change topics. personally i t...   Sep 14 2005, 03:08 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE personally i think more people need to carry...   Sep 14 2005, 03:44 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (Formula WS6 @ Sep 13 2005, 22:08)perso...   Sep 14 2005, 03:45 AM
Formula WS6   oh yeah i tried reading the lost dignity thread an...   Sep 14 2005, 04:42 PM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Sep 8 2005, 02:29)QUOTE (...   Sep 23 2005, 03:05 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Sep 22 2005, 23:05)QUOTE ...   Oct 6 2005, 03:11 AM
Formula WS6   im hoping maybe hes just no longer frequenting thi...   Oct 9 2005, 11:51 PM
z28barnett   I voted for Bush, at the moment I feel pretty sill...   Oct 10 2005, 12:21 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (Formula WS6 @ Oct 9 2005, 19:51)im hop...   Oct 10 2005, 11:24 PM
Formula WS6   oh well yeah that's definetly not a good sign....   Oct 12 2005, 12:15 AM
rpoz-29   Hopefully it's a matter of priorities, and he ...   Oct 12 2005, 05:51 PM
robz71lm7   http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=58...   Oct 13 2005, 02:12 AM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Sep 22 2005, 21:05)QUOTE ...   Oct 13 2005, 02:55 AM
00 Trans Ram   Oh, one other thing that pisses me off. Have ya...   Oct 13 2005, 03:02 AM
Absolut Speed   Glad to hear you're okay, with the added bonus...   Oct 13 2005, 03:17 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   Good to hear you are sorting things out, bummer ab...   Oct 13 2005, 11:06 AM
rpoz-29   Glad you made it through. Some hellish pictures of...   Oct 13 2005, 11:58 AM
Eugenio_SS   Glad you kicking and breathing. There is a lot of ...   Oct 14 2005, 01:54 PM
firehawkclone   Glad to hear that you and your family is well. B...   Oct 14 2005, 02:18 PM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Oct 14 2005, 07:54)Glad y...   Oct 14 2005, 04:52 PM
CMC #37   I am glad you are ok; really sorry for your grandm...   Oct 14 2005, 06:55 PM
Formula WS6   this is good news. glad to know you made it out.   Oct 15 2005, 04:57 PM

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