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ESPCamaro
post Sep 1 2005, 09:43 AM
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WHY?

You know what I do when I can't afford something. I don't buy it. Not some people if they can't afford it they just find a way to TAKE IT from someone who can.

And ANY excuse to do so is fair game. Even if it involved you neibors being homeless or dead.


I even heard that just now on the news that these morons were steeling guns and firing at national guard and aid choppers.


Sometimes I think it would be just easier to shoot people like this than to bother with the "justice system"


PUKE!
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post Sep 11 2005, 02:56 PM
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Politics over duty

This is a post from a reporter in Merritt Is, FL, a reporter who's been researching what went on before the storm hit.
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I think all of Mayor Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him hard in the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are coming to light.

On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of New Orleans and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.

President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act).



Just before midnight

Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could legally begin mobilization and call up.



He was told that they didn't think it necessary for the federal government to be involved yet. After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in.

Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Blanco and Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin mandatory evacuation.


After a personal plea from the President, Mayor Nagin agreed to order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action.

In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced preparations. Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal government can move into state with troops - but that had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question to use before the disaster.

Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to New Orleans for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina and support the gambling ships.



Toss in the investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or coordinating into any planning - though the document implies that they were.

The suffering people of New Orleans need to be asking some hard questions as do we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining states.



Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should
have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.

This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the future.
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ESPCamaro   Looters in New Orleans   Sep 1 2005, 09:43 AM
mitchntx   That is just really sad ... Looting for food or w...   Sep 1 2005, 09:53 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   Yeah, it shows how really screwed up some people a...   Sep 1 2005, 10:51 AM
sgarnett   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 1 2005, 04:43)I even h...   Sep 1 2005, 11:20 AM
pknowles   It really taints my heart toward wanting to help t...   Sep 1 2005, 12:27 PM
slowTA   First you start off feeling sorry for everyone dow...   Sep 1 2005, 12:34 PM
PF Flyer   ... and, unfortunately, the worst is still yet to ...   Sep 1 2005, 01:24 PM
trackbird   Install a couple snipers on roof tops. If they are...   Sep 1 2005, 01:36 PM
TwistedFocus   I heard on the radio today that they are sending m...   Sep 1 2005, 01:50 PM
pknowles   QUOTE Sorry, it just irritates me when I see peopl...   Sep 1 2005, 02:05 PM
Absolut Speed   I figure the smart ones already left. New Orleans...   Sep 1 2005, 02:11 PM
CMC #37   Please don't hold back any donations guys, the...   Sep 1 2005, 04:45 PM
BigEnos   I really hope that many of the businesses and peop...   Sep 1 2005, 04:51 PM
v7guy   the amazing part is that they have now stopped res...   Sep 1 2005, 05:21 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Sep 1 2005, 03:53)That is j...   Sep 1 2005, 09:18 PM
robz71lm7   It's really sad, but when you look at it the p...   Sep 2 2005, 01:12 AM
ESPCamaro   The sad thing is that there are "charities...   Sep 2 2005, 01:50 AM
sgarnett   BTW, Mathew Patterson (00 Trans AM) lives in New O...   Sep 2 2005, 02:15 AM
Mericet   What really got my blood going me tonight was the ...   Sep 2 2005, 04:04 AM
4manracing   This whole thing is unbelievable and the jerks tha...   Sep 2 2005, 10:37 PM
TOO Z MAXX   I feel the looters who are stealing guns, stereos,...   Sep 3 2005, 06:03 AM
trackbird   I spend about as much time and money on my firearm...   Sep 3 2005, 06:43 AM
93yellowfbody   it's on what's going on over there i liv...   Sep 3 2005, 01:36 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone. Another...   Sep 8 2005, 01:58 AM
CMC #37   I agree with the part that the amount of people on...   Sep 8 2005, 03:42 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Sep 1 2005, 22:15)BTW, Math...   Sep 8 2005, 06:29 AM
rmackintosh   Personally, I think all the finger pointing ON BOT...   Sep 8 2005, 03:56 PM
mitchntx   The Feds act upon recommendations by the locals, d...   Sep 8 2005, 05:11 PM
rmackintosh   ...this kinda stuff is why I EVERY time someone...   Sep 8 2005, 06:27 PM
ESPCamaro   Huh fox news huh. Funny that they concentrate on ...   Sep 9 2005, 09:56 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 9 2005, 03:56)But in c...   Sep 9 2005, 06:54 PM
pknowles   I agree with Randy as far as don't blame Bush ...   Sep 9 2005, 07:22 PM
sgarnett   Trying to help refugees that are shooting back add...   Sep 10 2005, 01:01 AM
rpoz-29   QUOTE It exposed US as americans. Not only are we ...   Sep 10 2005, 01:02 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Sep 9 2005, 20:02)QUOTE...   Sep 10 2005, 01:14 AM
rpoz-29   You're probably right. I read that the jails i...   Sep 10 2005, 01:45 PM
sgarnett   Yes, my heart goes out to both the public employee...   Sep 10 2005, 03:34 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Sep 10 2005, 08:45)Of c...   Sep 10 2005, 08:33 PM
Rob Hood   Well, I've read this thread and have decided t...   Sep 11 2005, 05:51 AM
bruecksteve   The Wall Street Journal September 6, 2005 COMMENTA...   Sep 11 2005, 02:51 PM
bruecksteve   Politics over duty This is a post from a reporter...   Sep 11 2005, 02:56 PM
Jeff97FST/A   Last week I was at the local Wally World. There wa...   Sep 11 2005, 03:05 PM
Rob Hood   The looters are taking the goods (whatever they ar...   Sep 11 2005, 04:12 PM
John_D.   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Sep 10 2005, 23:51)d. Keep...   Sep 11 2005, 08:01 PM
robz71lm7   Want to make your blood boil? http://mfile.akamai...   Sep 13 2005, 04:18 AM
ESPCamaro   They SHOULD be disarming everone. It will help to ...   Sep 13 2005, 10:11 AM
Nick   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2005, 04:11)They SH...   Sep 13 2005, 10:38 AM
rpoz-29   I don't think anyone can speak for how"mo...   Sep 13 2005, 01:14 PM
trackbird   Don't forget the abortion crowd (ok, the anti-...   Sep 13 2005, 01:49 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE They SHOULD be disarming everyone. It will h...   Sep 13 2005, 01:57 PM
pknowles   QUOTE If I were in NO, I'd be there armed. Sor...   Sep 13 2005, 02:04 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Sep 13 2005, 08:57)QUOTE A...   Sep 13 2005, 02:44 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE So, who do you vote for? Michael Badnarik.   Sep 13 2005, 03:51 PM
Formula WS6   boy did this thread change topics. personally i t...   Sep 14 2005, 03:08 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE personally i think more people need to carry...   Sep 14 2005, 03:44 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (Formula WS6 @ Sep 13 2005, 22:08)perso...   Sep 14 2005, 03:45 AM
Formula WS6   oh yeah i tried reading the lost dignity thread an...   Sep 14 2005, 04:42 PM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Sep 8 2005, 02:29)QUOTE (...   Sep 23 2005, 03:05 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Sep 22 2005, 23:05)QUOTE ...   Oct 6 2005, 03:11 AM
Formula WS6   im hoping maybe hes just no longer frequenting thi...   Oct 9 2005, 11:51 PM
z28barnett   I voted for Bush, at the moment I feel pretty sill...   Oct 10 2005, 12:21 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (Formula WS6 @ Oct 9 2005, 19:51)im hop...   Oct 10 2005, 11:24 PM
Formula WS6   oh well yeah that's definetly not a good sign....   Oct 12 2005, 12:15 AM
rpoz-29   Hopefully it's a matter of priorities, and he ...   Oct 12 2005, 05:51 PM
robz71lm7   http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=58...   Oct 13 2005, 02:12 AM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Sep 22 2005, 21:05)QUOTE ...   Oct 13 2005, 02:55 AM
00 Trans Ram   Oh, one other thing that pisses me off. Have ya...   Oct 13 2005, 03:02 AM
Absolut Speed   Glad to hear you're okay, with the added bonus...   Oct 13 2005, 03:17 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   Good to hear you are sorting things out, bummer ab...   Oct 13 2005, 11:06 AM
rpoz-29   Glad you made it through. Some hellish pictures of...   Oct 13 2005, 11:58 AM
Eugenio_SS   Glad you kicking and breathing. There is a lot of ...   Oct 14 2005, 01:54 PM
firehawkclone   Glad to hear that you and your family is well. B...   Oct 14 2005, 02:18 PM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Oct 14 2005, 07:54)Glad y...   Oct 14 2005, 04:52 PM
CMC #37   I am glad you are ok; really sorry for your grandm...   Oct 14 2005, 06:55 PM
Formula WS6   this is good news. glad to know you made it out.   Oct 15 2005, 04:57 PM

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