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mitchntx
post Feb 17 2004, 05:54 PM
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After watching a some of the coverage of the Daytona 500 this weekend and hearing a lot of discussion about the costs associated with feilding a competitive team and hearing the gnashing of teeth surrounding the dwindling sponsorships and hearing the concerns about enough cars to field a full grid and seeing Waltrip's wild tumble and seeing that tumble re-played on network after network after network ....

I began to wonder ....

Because it's all about the number of minutes a specific sponsor get's it's name on TV, when will a driver, who is an "also ran", purposely wreck his car, just get gleen a few extra minutes of sponsor coverage?

Is it cost effective to spend a $100,000 race car in order to keep a $10 million sponsor?

NAPA received tons of exposure from networks to local TV stations replaying his wreck. I would hate to see that happen on purpose, but ... it has to be there in someone's mind ...
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post Feb 17 2004, 08:23 PM
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Fights and things...if you know your NASCAR history you know that sort of thing was common 20-30 years ago. Now it is not. Sponsors don't like their drivers getting suspended from races, and NASCAR cherishes its image more now than ever, so some of the wild antics that were part of the sport years ago have been replaced with politically correct stuff.

No driver today could be as aggressive as Dale Earnhardt was in his prime. Dale himself mellowed quite a bit over the years. But today you see guys like Harvick taking out Rudd last year and it is just not tolerated, it is a good way to miss a race, lose championship points, and have your team owner and sponsor mad at you PLUS earn retaliation on the track next week.

I guess what I lament about the sport is that it is so money driven now. The new points system is stupid an to me renders any championship earned under it totally incomparable to past championships.

I know most of you Road Racers probably don't like the sport, but I enjoy Nascar. maybe they are not the best talent in terms of turning left AND right out there, but there are a few that more than hold their own at the two road courses and at events like 24hrs of Daytona. The fact that guys like Boris Said and Robby Gordon cannot just walk in, sit down in a Cup car and dominate an oval track event suggest to me that great road racers do not automatically make good stock car racers, so it would seem to me that talent is relative to the venue.

I find the similarities between the Nextel Cup cars and our Fbodies to be more meaninful than say F1 cars, simply because they are running 2v per cyl cam-in block pushrod V8s, live rear axles, etc. No they are not "stock" cars anymore, that is just a term for the type of racing. More importantly, it is the personalities that drive Nascar. Yes, I guess that's sort of like WWE, but I think personalities drive every sport. Who was a Bulls fan but not a Jordan fan? Who was a Yankees fan but had no favorite players?

As for the wrecks vis a vis sponsor exposure. The "new" TV contract with NBC and Fox has created some tough things I don't care for. Basically they are trying to sell everything they can get their hands on. Now you have races with "presenting" sponors, like the Cracker Barrell 500 presented by Kraft Foods. How are they presenting anything? Seems to me NASCAR is the one putting on the presentation. Just stupid stuff like that, or how they would not allow ESPN to report trackside because only TNT and FOX were allowed magazine-type race show coverage. Now that RPM tonight is gone ESPN is allowed back in instead of getting driver interviews in the parking lot.

Sponsorships are tight because its too expensive to justify to companies that can't draw the line between the sponsorship and increased revenue. You're going to give $12M to a team, you want to see at least $20M in increased revenue. Certain products/sponsors are not going to be able to generate that kind of crossover from the race car to the grocery store or whatever. I think Bud has more than made their money from Dale Jr, but how has CAT benefitted from the #22 sponsorship? Its a little harder to quantify for certain sponsors I think.
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mitchntx   Everyone likes a good "Conspiracy Theory"   Feb 17 2004, 05:54 PM
Chris 96 WS6   I don't think Mikey would ever go along with s...   Feb 17 2004, 05:57 PM
trackbird   Guess I don't watch enough TV. I didn't se...   Feb 17 2004, 05:58 PM
Absolut Speed   You certainly wonder how long the cycle can go on ...   Feb 17 2004, 06:48 PM
mitchntx   Don't get me wrong, Chris. I didn't mean t...   Feb 17 2004, 06:57 PM
trackbird   I'm sure the sponsors don't mind much....   Feb 17 2004, 06:59 PM
AllZWay   Yep... I don't think sponsors really care ...   Feb 17 2004, 07:24 PM
rmackintosh   ......well.....I don't put much stock at all i...   Feb 17 2004, 07:44 PM
Zimm   Back when Jordan was running the 7-Up car (I think...   Feb 17 2004, 08:12 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Fights and things...if you know your NASCAR histor...   Feb 17 2004, 08:23 PM
felton316   $100,000 investment for a $10 million do...   Feb 17 2004, 08:46 PM
Chris 96 WS6   There is a marketing firm that spends all week eac...   Feb 17 2004, 08:58 PM
ESPCamaro   Nascar IS american racing. Think what you wan...   Feb 17 2004, 09:09 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Great post Lonnie. Dead on about Cope....wrecks w...   Feb 17 2004, 09:21 PM
ESPCamaro   Yeah, the Cope's 500 win was about a big a flu...   Feb 17 2004, 09:28 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Nascar IS american racing. UNFORTUNATELY......   Feb 17 2004, 09:56 PM
Chris 96 WS6   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Feb 17 2004, 03:56 PM)UN...   Feb 17 2004, 10:08 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Feb 17 2004, 04:56 PM)Di...   Feb 17 2004, 10:13 PM
ESPCamaro   Randy, I'm not trying to argue with you. Just ...   Feb 17 2004, 10:16 PM
mitchntx   One counter point is that the race lasted another ...   Feb 17 2004, 10:40 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Randy, I'm not trying to argue with you....   Feb 17 2004, 10:46 PM
ESPCamaro   I do dislike how some of the up and coming america...   Feb 17 2004, 10:52 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE But Open wheel just isn't "there...   Feb 17 2004, 11:03 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Mitch, sorry for getting hung up on the one wreck....   Feb 18 2004, 01:10 AM
sgarnett   I don't buy wrecking for exposure. It may help...   Feb 18 2004, 04:20 AM
sgarnett   BTW, I heard a great comment from MW about the wre...   Feb 18 2004, 04:29 AM
Rob Hood   I think NAPA and Mikey would stand to gain a LOT m...   Feb 18 2004, 04:49 AM
AllZWay   First Note... I am a Nascar fan and actually fan o...   Feb 18 2004, 02:22 PM
Bald54   Watching just about any form of racing is kind of ...   Feb 18 2004, 03:54 PM
mongoosez   Adding my .02 Cope should stick to his "hair...   Feb 18 2004, 07:36 PM
JonV   To me NASCAR is just a good opportunity for an aft...   Feb 18 2004, 10:32 PM
AllZWay   JonV a couple of examples to disprove your theory ...   Feb 18 2004, 10:45 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE JonV a couple of examples to disprove your t...   Feb 18 2004, 11:26 PM
Zimm   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Feb 18 2004, 05:26 PM)IR...   Feb 18 2004, 11:50 PM
JonV   I don't mean to imply that there are no good r...   Feb 19 2004, 12:05 AM
rpoz-29   FWIW, I can remember when the "Grand National...   Feb 19 2004, 01:01 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE This is the shame of NASCAR. Potentially gre...   Feb 19 2004, 01:16 AM
lateapex   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Feb 18 2004, 05:45 PM)Tony S...   Feb 19 2004, 03:25 AM
AllZWay   I would absolutely love to see IROC ran at several...   Feb 19 2004, 04:30 AM
Rob Hood   IROC should expand its series to six races - two s...   Feb 19 2004, 06:12 AM
sgarnett   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Feb 18 2004, 11:30 PM)I guil...   Feb 19 2004, 01:34 PM
mitchntx   Not trying to get this thread back on topic ... h...   Feb 20 2004, 03:10 AM
Rob Hood   Field is now up to 45 entries as of my posting. h...   Feb 20 2004, 04:17 AM
AllZWay   Mitch... I have been watching the outcome of not e...   Feb 20 2004, 03:32 PM
rmackintosh   ....uh oh.....do I see a chink in the good 'ol...   Feb 20 2004, 06:30 PM
NataSS Inc   Just want to add my .02 I did a short stint in sp...   Feb 20 2004, 08:31 PM
mitchntx   Wind Tunnel with that Despain clown actually made ...   Feb 20 2004, 09:51 PM
robz71lm7   I usually stay out of these NASCAR good or bad thr...   Feb 20 2004, 10:06 PM
lateapex   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Feb 20 2004, 04:51 PM)He sa...   Feb 20 2004, 10:06 PM
Rob Hood   Boyce, Pepsi probably paid for the "mom and p...   Feb 21 2004, 03:05 AM
mitchntx   Bob, why do you think I described my source as ...   Feb 21 2004, 05:32 AM
ESPCamaro   If you need to hear someone thank the local mom an...   Feb 21 2004, 12:36 PM
Rob Hood   When NASCAR first announced the change in the poin...   Feb 21 2004, 04:40 PM
robz71lm7   I'm going to disagree Lonnie. I feel NASCAR h...   Feb 21 2004, 10:12 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Great technical discussion of Nextel Cup motors: ...   Feb 23 2004, 08:02 PM
AllZWay   WOW!!! and not one Nascar bashing post...   Feb 23 2004, 08:55 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE WOW!!! and not one Nascar bashin...   Feb 23 2004, 10:57 PM
Rob Hood   Nah, that's just your jealousy showing...   Feb 24 2004, 02:24 AM
rmackintosh   Wanna bash NASCRAP some more???? How about Joe Ru...   Feb 25 2004, 07:01 PM
mitchntx   Damn Randy ... how much coffee have you had today?   Feb 25 2004, 08:33 PM
AllZWay   Hey... You can't blame those three guys though...   Feb 25 2004, 08:41 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Hey... You can't blame those three guys ...   Feb 25 2004, 09:02 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Damn Randy ... how much coffee have you had ...   Feb 25 2004, 09:03 PM
AllZWay   I think Randy has issues that would be best dealt ...   Feb 25 2004, 10:15 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE I think Randy has issues that would be best ...   Feb 25 2004, 10:18 PM

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