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> Everyone likes a good "Conspiracy Theory", Is big time racing wrecking for dollars?
mitchntx
post Feb 17 2004, 05:54 PM
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After watching a some of the coverage of the Daytona 500 this weekend and hearing a lot of discussion about the costs associated with feilding a competitive team and hearing the gnashing of teeth surrounding the dwindling sponsorships and hearing the concerns about enough cars to field a full grid and seeing Waltrip's wild tumble and seeing that tumble re-played on network after network after network ....

I began to wonder ....

Because it's all about the number of minutes a specific sponsor get's it's name on TV, when will a driver, who is an "also ran", purposely wreck his car, just get gleen a few extra minutes of sponsor coverage?

Is it cost effective to spend a $100,000 race car in order to keep a $10 million sponsor?

NAPA received tons of exposure from networks to local TV stations replaying his wreck. I would hate to see that happen on purpose, but ... it has to be there in someone's mind ...
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post Feb 19 2004, 12:05 AM
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I don't mean to imply that there are no good racers in NASCAR. Clearly Jeff Gordon has the stuff to make it RR, from what I saw of him in that little promo stunt where he drove Juan Montoya's Williams last year. He showed some pretty decent speed, and glory hallelujah, he was endlessly enthusiastic/amazed about the car. I'd love to see him in F1. Tony Stewart had an incredible drive in the Daytona 24 hr this year. He was unfreaking believable driving that car on two wheels. There are others I'm sure. Also, I like to watch the NASCAR races when they are on the Road Courses. It makes for some interesting cut and thrust stuf happening from time to time. This is the shame of NASCAR. Potentially great racers do nothing but go round and round. Everything is reduced to the lowest common denominator.

But circles?

Endless circles?

Blah!

I think it is near criminal to put open wheel cars that close on ovals. It is spectacle, and I'd say cheap spectacle except that so many guys are getting so seriously hurt and killed doing it. I want to see good racing. I want to see cut and thrust. Dive bombs up the inside under braking. But I don't want to see mangled cars and mangled bodies. After that hideous Greg Moore wreck in '99, I lost all interest in open wheel cars on ovals. It was just an unspeakable horror to see that car go into the wall, and I knew as soon as he pancaked, that he was dead as a door knob. Not my scene. He looked too much like my oldest boy.
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mitchntx   Everyone likes a good "Conspiracy Theory"   Feb 17 2004, 05:54 PM
Chris 96 WS6   I don't think Mikey would ever go along with s...   Feb 17 2004, 05:57 PM
trackbird   Guess I don't watch enough TV. I didn't se...   Feb 17 2004, 05:58 PM
Absolut Speed   You certainly wonder how long the cycle can go on ...   Feb 17 2004, 06:48 PM
mitchntx   Don't get me wrong, Chris. I didn't mean t...   Feb 17 2004, 06:57 PM
trackbird   I'm sure the sponsors don't mind much....   Feb 17 2004, 06:59 PM
AllZWay   Yep... I don't think sponsors really care ...   Feb 17 2004, 07:24 PM
rmackintosh   ......well.....I don't put much stock at all i...   Feb 17 2004, 07:44 PM
Zimm   Back when Jordan was running the 7-Up car (I think...   Feb 17 2004, 08:12 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Fights and things...if you know your NASCAR histor...   Feb 17 2004, 08:23 PM
felton316   $100,000 investment for a $10 million do...   Feb 17 2004, 08:46 PM
Chris 96 WS6   There is a marketing firm that spends all week eac...   Feb 17 2004, 08:58 PM
ESPCamaro   Nascar IS american racing. Think what you wan...   Feb 17 2004, 09:09 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Great post Lonnie. Dead on about Cope....wrecks w...   Feb 17 2004, 09:21 PM
ESPCamaro   Yeah, the Cope's 500 win was about a big a flu...   Feb 17 2004, 09:28 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Nascar IS american racing. UNFORTUNATELY......   Feb 17 2004, 09:56 PM
Chris 96 WS6   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Feb 17 2004, 03:56 PM)UN...   Feb 17 2004, 10:08 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Feb 17 2004, 04:56 PM)Di...   Feb 17 2004, 10:13 PM
ESPCamaro   Randy, I'm not trying to argue with you. Just ...   Feb 17 2004, 10:16 PM
mitchntx   One counter point is that the race lasted another ...   Feb 17 2004, 10:40 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Randy, I'm not trying to argue with you....   Feb 17 2004, 10:46 PM
ESPCamaro   I do dislike how some of the up and coming america...   Feb 17 2004, 10:52 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE But Open wheel just isn't "there...   Feb 17 2004, 11:03 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Mitch, sorry for getting hung up on the one wreck....   Feb 18 2004, 01:10 AM
sgarnett   I don't buy wrecking for exposure. It may help...   Feb 18 2004, 04:20 AM
sgarnett   BTW, I heard a great comment from MW about the wre...   Feb 18 2004, 04:29 AM
Rob Hood   I think NAPA and Mikey would stand to gain a LOT m...   Feb 18 2004, 04:49 AM
AllZWay   First Note... I am a Nascar fan and actually fan o...   Feb 18 2004, 02:22 PM
Bald54   Watching just about any form of racing is kind of ...   Feb 18 2004, 03:54 PM
mongoosez   Adding my .02 Cope should stick to his "hair...   Feb 18 2004, 07:36 PM
JonV   To me NASCAR is just a good opportunity for an aft...   Feb 18 2004, 10:32 PM
AllZWay   JonV a couple of examples to disprove your theory ...   Feb 18 2004, 10:45 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE JonV a couple of examples to disprove your t...   Feb 18 2004, 11:26 PM
Zimm   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Feb 18 2004, 05:26 PM)IR...   Feb 18 2004, 11:50 PM
JonV   I don't mean to imply that there are no good r...   Feb 19 2004, 12:05 AM
rpoz-29   FWIW, I can remember when the "Grand National...   Feb 19 2004, 01:01 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE This is the shame of NASCAR. Potentially gre...   Feb 19 2004, 01:16 AM
lateapex   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Feb 18 2004, 05:45 PM)Tony S...   Feb 19 2004, 03:25 AM
AllZWay   I would absolutely love to see IROC ran at several...   Feb 19 2004, 04:30 AM
Rob Hood   IROC should expand its series to six races - two s...   Feb 19 2004, 06:12 AM
sgarnett   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Feb 18 2004, 11:30 PM)I guil...   Feb 19 2004, 01:34 PM
mitchntx   Not trying to get this thread back on topic ... h...   Feb 20 2004, 03:10 AM
Rob Hood   Field is now up to 45 entries as of my posting. h...   Feb 20 2004, 04:17 AM
AllZWay   Mitch... I have been watching the outcome of not e...   Feb 20 2004, 03:32 PM
rmackintosh   ....uh oh.....do I see a chink in the good 'ol...   Feb 20 2004, 06:30 PM
NataSS Inc   Just want to add my .02 I did a short stint in sp...   Feb 20 2004, 08:31 PM
mitchntx   Wind Tunnel with that Despain clown actually made ...   Feb 20 2004, 09:51 PM
robz71lm7   I usually stay out of these NASCAR good or bad thr...   Feb 20 2004, 10:06 PM
lateapex   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Feb 20 2004, 04:51 PM)He sa...   Feb 20 2004, 10:06 PM
Rob Hood   Boyce, Pepsi probably paid for the "mom and p...   Feb 21 2004, 03:05 AM
mitchntx   Bob, why do you think I described my source as ...   Feb 21 2004, 05:32 AM
ESPCamaro   If you need to hear someone thank the local mom an...   Feb 21 2004, 12:36 PM
Rob Hood   When NASCAR first announced the change in the poin...   Feb 21 2004, 04:40 PM
robz71lm7   I'm going to disagree Lonnie. I feel NASCAR h...   Feb 21 2004, 10:12 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Great technical discussion of Nextel Cup motors: ...   Feb 23 2004, 08:02 PM
AllZWay   WOW!!! and not one Nascar bashing post...   Feb 23 2004, 08:55 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE WOW!!! and not one Nascar bashin...   Feb 23 2004, 10:57 PM
Rob Hood   Nah, that's just your jealousy showing...   Feb 24 2004, 02:24 AM
rmackintosh   Wanna bash NASCRAP some more???? How about Joe Ru...   Feb 25 2004, 07:01 PM
mitchntx   Damn Randy ... how much coffee have you had today?   Feb 25 2004, 08:33 PM
AllZWay   Hey... You can't blame those three guys though...   Feb 25 2004, 08:41 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Hey... You can't blame those three guys ...   Feb 25 2004, 09:02 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Damn Randy ... how much coffee have you had ...   Feb 25 2004, 09:03 PM
AllZWay   I think Randy has issues that would be best dealt ...   Feb 25 2004, 10:15 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE I think Randy has issues that would be best ...   Feb 25 2004, 10:18 PM

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