[Joe Silva]

http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/06-12-fastrack.pdf

I guess the DSP bimmer proposal got shot down due to a larger restructure in SP. I seriously hope they leave ESP alone (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

[BigEnos]

One car, that's exactly how many E30/IS300s are currently being competitively campaigned nationally. If there's even a chance that this car may outclass the current ESP cars then why are we, as a club, gonna do it? You do have to break eggs to make an omlette, but do you have to break *all* the eggs?

The WRX is a completely unrelated issue to this, and whether or not it is more competitive than the E30/IS300 would be is immaterial to whether the E30 or IS300, or both, should be moved to ESP.

[marka]

Howdy,

One car, that's exactly how many E30/IS300s are currently being competitively campaigned nationally. If there's even a chance that this car may outclass the current ESP cars then why are we, as a club, gonna do it? You do have to break eggs to make an omlette, but do you have to break *all* the eggs?

The WRX is a completely unrelated issue to this, and whether or not it is more competitive than the E30/IS300 would be is immaterial to whether the E30 or IS300, or both, should be moved to ESP.

The thing to me is that I just don't think an E30 or IS300 should be a problem for a good ESP car. I think they might have a chance, but are _way_ not overdogs.

The WRX isn't unrelated to this, since if the WRX is faster than the pony cars (and I think its got a better shot at this than the e30/is300 do) and our goal is to "leave ESP alone", then there's not an issue putting a car into esp that's slower than the WRX.

Mark

(who _really_ wants an SM-Heavy class... :-)

[BigEnos]

Howdy,

The WRX isn't unrelated to this, since if the WRX is faster than the pony cars (and I think its got a better shot at this than the e30/is300 do) and our goal is to "leave ESP alone", then there's not an issue putting a car into esp that's slower than the WRX.

Mark

(who _really_ wants an SM-Heavy class... :-)

There is a big difference here. The WRX has been in ESP for a long time, possibly since it came out. *And* there are not any currently being campaigned. I do think the newest iteration of the WRX could be the fastest thing is ESP, but that's just my own (and many others') reckoning. I'm not going to move a car that no one has setup yet because I *think* it might be really fast.

Fact is, by leaving the WRX there we are "leaving ESP alone". By adding a car(s) we are most definitely not leaving ESP alone.

Alex is an incredible driver in a very well setup car. If the E36 BMWs aren't moving, then why are we moving the E30/IS300s that have proven to be very competitive with the E36? If the E36 is moving, then why don't we just move the other two cars with it?

What exactly is it that the club is trying to accomplish? I've asked that question repeatedly, but I never get a candid answer. If ESP participation was low I could understand the SEB wanting to do something, but I see a healthy class with a clearly defined "type" of car that is popular and competitive. We have competitive cars on both coasts and spread around the center of the country so the interest is well distributed, too.

I laid back and took a wait-and-see approach with the last two attempts to redefine ESP (E36 BMW M3 and STiEvo). I won't anymore. I will fight all attempts to subjugate ponycars in ESP, either official or unofficial.