 Hellwig adjustable rear sway bar order thread, $229+ freight |
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 May 12 2008, 09:13 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin  Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196  |
Guys, I'm getting setup as a dealer with Hellwig products. As usual, I like to try to save the racers money and I like working with companies who make stuff we need. Hellwig has been willing to listen to us, ask our opinions and they are even looking into making this bar available for us without the end links for those who want it that way. I do not have price sheets, but if you tell me what you want (and their part number so there is no confusion) and I'll get prices.
Edit: And, you can order them through me. I spoke with Dave about pricing and I can do them for $229 + freight (retail is $259 + freight). This is the price for the kit with end links. We still have to see if it will be practical to do the kit without end links, so I don't have a price on that setup yet. Lets give this until May 30th and we'll get ready to order. PM me for paypal info or to mail a money order. So far I have Tommy 55 down for one bar without end links. How many of these might we need total (how many other bars and I know Mitch was looking for stuff for his tow rig)? Prices for Mitch on 7676 and 7677. |
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May 19 2008, 02:40 PM
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newbie Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 21-March 07 Member No.: 1,730 |
QUOTE (trackbird @ May 12 2008, 04:13 PM)  Guys, I'm getting setup as a dealer with Hellwig products. As usual, I like to try to save the racers money and I like working with companies who make stuff we need. Hellwig has been willing to listen to us, ask our opinions and they are even looking into making this bar available for us without the end links for those who want it that way. I do not have price sheets, but if you tell me what you want (and their part number so there is no confusion) and I'll get prices. So far I have Tommy 55 down for one bar without end links. How many of these might we need total (how many other bars and I know Mitch was looking for stuff for his tow rig)? Prices for Mitch on 7676 and 7677. I'm waiting for a price, but I'm interested as well. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif) |
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May 21 2008, 02:31 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
$229+ freight for the bar with end links.
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May 21 2008, 03:42 PM
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Seeking round tuits Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,522 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Kentucky Member No.: 33 |
I'll take one.
If there's ever a run of 1" bars, I'll probably take one of those too, but without the endlinks. One of these days/months/years, I'll get around to lowering the PHR a little more. Ya know the classic big game hunters's trophy room, like Teddy Roosevelt or Ernest Hemingway might have had? I'm thinking about adding a swaybar wing to the garage .... This post has been edited by sgarnett: May 21 2008, 04:29 PM |
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May 21 2008, 06:12 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 813 Joined: 21-January 04 From: Santa Barbara, CA Member No.: 141 |
Put me down for one.
Jason |
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May 21 2008, 07:00 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,936 Joined: 26-September 05 From: Youngstown, OH Member No.: 896 |
Howdy,
What size is this bar again? How do the adjustment holes compare to stock 19mm bar stiffness? Mark |
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May 21 2008, 07:26 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (marka @ May 21 2008, 03:00 PM) Howdy, What size is this bar again? How do the adjustment holes compare to stock 19mm bar stiffness? Mark It's a 22mm bar. I do not have the numbers (I can see if Dave does), but we pulled a stock 19mm with poly bushings off of my car and installed this on the softest setting and then ran in the rain and the car was quite stable (I was expecting a tail happy nightmare). I expected it to be too much bar, but my experience was that it wasn't a problem. So, I'd think you would be ok swapping one in place of a 19mm and using the softest settings. I do think it will be a bit stiffer, but I don't think it's a "ton" stiffer in actual use. |
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May 22 2008, 02:34 PM
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Seeking round tuits Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,522 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Kentucky Member No.: 33 |
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May 29 2008, 03:31 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 471 Joined: 13-December 05 From: North Olmsted, OH Member No.: 1,010 |
QUOTE (sgarnett @ May 22 2008, 08:34 AM) Am I reading this right. This 22mm bar in the softer setting is comparable to a 20mm and on the stiffest to a 24mm? (more or less) By the way send me the info Kevin I'm in. shipping will be to 44070. |
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May 30 2008, 05:05 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (killer_bluebird @ May 28 2008, 11:31 PM) QUOTE (sgarnett @ May 22 2008, 08:34 AM) Am I reading this right. This 22mm bar in the softer setting is comparable to a 20mm and on the stiffest to a 24mm? (more or less) By the way send me the info Kevin I'm in. shipping will be to 44070. PM sent. Jason and Sean, I put your orders in today. Figured I'd get those two on the way. |
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May 31 2008, 02:02 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 471 Joined: 13-December 05 From: North Olmsted, OH Member No.: 1,010 |
QUOTE (trackbird @ May 30 2008, 11:05 AM) QUOTE (killer_bluebird @ May 28 2008, 11:31 PM) QUOTE (sgarnett @ May 22 2008, 08:34 AM) Am I reading this right. This 22mm bar in the softer setting is comparable to a 20mm and on the stiffest to a 24mm? (more or less) By the way send me the info Kevin I'm in. shipping will be to 44070. PM sent. Jason and Sean, I put your orders in today. Figured I'd get those two on the way. PM Replied thx bud! |
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May 31 2008, 12:18 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
Thanks Alexander!
Tommy, I didn't forget you, we are still working on a "no endlink" kit (the idea isn't dead like I thought) and I hope to have more info soon. |
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Jun 6 2008, 11:51 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 471 Joined: 13-December 05 From: North Olmsted, OH Member No.: 1,010 |
Any estimates on how long before these are ready to ship?
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Jun 7 2008, 12:34 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 813 Joined: 21-January 04 From: Santa Barbara, CA Member No.: 141 |
QUOTE Any estimates on how long before these are ready to ship? I got mine a couple of days ago, so I'd imagine they are shipable now. Or do you mean the no endlink ones? But I ain't got no car right now to attach it to.... Jason |
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Jun 7 2008, 03:59 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 471 Joined: 13-December 05 From: North Olmsted, OH Member No.: 1,010 |
QUOTE (JKnight @ Jun 6 2008, 06:34 PM) QUOTE Any estimates on how long before these are ready to ship? I got mine a couple of days ago, so I'd imagine they are shipable now. Or do you mean the no endlink ones? But I ain't got no car right now to attach it to.... Jason I guess since it is coming from CA it takes a bit less to get to you. So I might get a box in a few days (I hope). I got the regular one. |
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Jun 12 2008, 07:39 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 471 Joined: 13-December 05 From: North Olmsted, OH Member No.: 1,010 |
Update: Got mine and I installed it yesterday. Very nice piece. Good instructions. I'll be testing it Saturday! Thanks Kevin!
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Jun 12 2008, 02:33 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (killer_bluebird @ Jun 12 2008, 03:39 AM) Update: Got mine and I installed it yesterday. Very nice piece. Good instructions. I'll be testing it Saturday! Thanks Kevin! Excellent. Sorry, but somehow I missed your last post (about wondering where it was?). Didn't mean to not answer, I just didn't see it for some reason. |
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Oct 4 2008, 03:16 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,693 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Casselberry FL Member No.: 206 |
Looking for an adjustable rear bar with heim joint end links to use with my current PHB lowered 4" OR for future use with the watts link Sam is selling. I would like it to be adjustable to mimic a 21-25mm solid bar range. Do the Hellwig bars offer this?
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Oct 4 2008, 03:58 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (JimMueller @ Oct 4 2008, 11:16 AM) Looking for an adjustable rear bar with heim joint end links to use with my current PHB lowered 4" OR for future use with the watts link Sam is selling. I would like it to be adjustable to mimic a 21-25mm solid bar range. Do the Hellwig bars offer this? From here: http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?sho...mp;#entry125364 Sean's calculations are as follows: QUOTE (sgarnett @ May 22 2008, 10:27 AM) The adjustment hole center-to-center spacing looks like 2xdiameter. What is the bolt size? It looks like about 3/8". [nope, it's 7/16" on 1" centers - see Dave's post #66 below] Ignoring bending in the arm, stiffness is proportional to D^4 (D=bar diameter), or (Dod^4 - Did^4) for a hollow bar. It's also inversely proportional to the square of the arm radius, so changing the radius changes the stiffness by a factor of (R1/R2)^2. Assuming the arm radius from the centerline is close to 8.5" for the center hole (R1), like a stock bar, the inner (rear) hole changes the stiffness by ~1.28x and the outer (front) hole changes the stiffness by 0.8x. The relative stiffness of a bunch of bars is as follows. This is only the D^4 term, so the actual rate is proportional to these numbers. Since some bars may be identified in metric dimensions but made from inch-dimensioned stock or vice-versa, there may some minor discrepancies. I assumed 4mm wall thickness for hollow rear bars. 456976 - 26mm solid 416231 - 1" (aka 25mm) solid 331776 - 24 solid 324568 - 1" hollow 279841 - 23 solid 243987 - 7/8" (aka 22mm) solid 194481 - 21mm solid For the 7/8" bar: 312303 - inner/rear hole 195190 - outer/front hole As Dave said, those are in the ballpark of the 23mm [actually a little closer to 24mm] and 21mm solid bars, respectively. For the 1" bar": 532776 - inner/rear hole 332985 - outer/front hole I'm using the Hotchkis rear bar now, so an adjustable 15/16" (24mm) bar would be perfect (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Homebrew adjustable links to get rid of the poly will stiffen those numbers a little. The stock-style links with poly bushings that most of us use will soften those numbers a little. So will the Hellwig-supplied adjustable links with poly bushings, but I don't know how the two compare. And here: http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?showtopic=12168 We're trying to find enough buyers to have a batch of larger rear adjustable bars done. |
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