I've been thinking, and since this is general discussion.... Options

[JimMueller]

...You might not blow your engine a quart down on Wal-mart oil...

Hey! So now you're talking about me? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) It was Mobil-1... I only bought it at Wal-Mart (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Seriously Sam, I truly appreciate all that you've done for me (and hopefully in the future as well). I'm sure Jeff, Jason, Chuck and Eric from our area feel the same way. Even the person who seemed most critical of F-bodies in our club, Bob Palmblad, switched from his supercharged Miata to use an F-body with your setup.

I didn't realize the personal angst you were experiencing and I hope you're back to your normal chipper self soon (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) I think with minor exceptions the tone of this thread is positive. I think there are a select few dozen or so on this site which really know WTF they're talking about. Unfortunately it's easy to misinterpret thread context on the internet. As you stated, assumptions get made and it goes to h3ll in a handbasket from there.

I sincerely hope all parties involved here can at least understand where the others are coming from, even if different philosophies can't be overcome. Limit it to constructive criticism and explain the theory and real-world applications as it fits the customer. In the end it's the customers wallet, but repeat business will be earned based upon their previous experience. It almost feels like a contest around here to see which vendor gets the customer, and I find that disheartening. Disheartening because this forum seems more like a close-knit family than those 'other' sites. But, business is business.

As I said in e-mail, I don't believe I'll ever acquire the seat time (gene pool? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ) to become an excellent driver. I believe it was Lonnie who mentioned in a thread that he was considering selling his car to spend more time with his son. I'm not to that point, but I certainly understand his position.

We need a FRRAX Gathering to get everything together face-to-face and have a good time! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif)

This post has been edited by JimMueller: Nov 16 2005, 06:02 AM

[Crazy Canuck]

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) :leaving:

[Teutonic Speedra...]

Jon-

I was trying to find the appropriate "beat one's chest" icon last night, but was unsuccessful!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[lt99ls1]

I have not read the whole thread yet. But let me say this about you Mr. Strano you have went out of your way to return my calls and talk to me at lenght about problems,soultions on my car even when it did not mean a sell for you. One sure phone call took place last week when you explained to me about the rear of my car have "spikes" that felt like it was bottoming out when it was just the shock needed adjustment. That level of service and comment is while I have purchased from you in the past and will continue to do so in the furture.


Keep up the good work.

[Sam Strano]

I have not read the whole thread yet. But let me say this about you Mr. Strano you have went out of your way to return my calls and talk to me at lenght about problems,soultions on my car even when it did not mean a sell for you. One sure phone call took place last week when you explained to me about the rear of my car have "spikes" that felt like it was bottoming out when it was just the shock needed adjustment. That level of service and comment is while I have purchased from you in the past and will continue to do so in the furture.


Keep up the good work.

So I take it the shock adjustment helped?????

[trackbird]

I tried to move the lowered PHB/roll center discussion out of this thread. It came out pretty neatly, but if you are missing a post, it's probably here (hope I didn't make too much of a mess).

Thanks!

http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&...&f=3&t=6124&hl=

[jensend]

Having read this entire thread, there is only one idea I'm able to conclude from it. It would seem that despite the fact that both tuning and driving performance cars are processes filled with variables and subjective assessments; a good number of people are unable to objectively accept that fact as reality.

Regardless of what we'd like (or would like to believe) the "right way" is most often highly subjective. In a sense, it's somewhat like religious belief: each of us chooses what he wants to believe, (and usually, also, chooses to call truth) and then closes himself to other possible truths. Neither can we all be right, nor all of us wrong. Fact is, choosing to believe or disbelieve has no bearing on truth. The final "proof " is a matter of both individual experience and individual perception.

In a nutshell, I'm not in "Sam's Camp" or "Jon's Camp", I'm just interested in improving wherever and however it's possible for me, personally, to improve. I make progress and mistakes based on what I choose. Anyone who takes my interest on a "personal" level chooses that, for good or ill, on their own. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

[lt99ls1]

I have not read the whole thread yet. But let me say this about you Mr. Strano you have went out of your way to return my calls and talk to me at lenght about problems,soultions on my car even when it did not mean a sell for you. One sure phone call took place last week when you explained to me about the rear of my car have "spikes" that felt like it was bottoming out when it was just the shock needed adjustment. That level of service and comment is while I have purchased from you in the past and will continue to do so in the furture.


Keep up the good work.

So I take it the shock adjustment helped?????

Yes it did. I am still tring to fine tune everything.

[AllZWay]

Most of us have our own opinions about what works and doesn't work and in some cases no amount of facts are going to change that opinion.

One thing I have learned from the dirt track racing is that hardly anyone runs the same combination of springs/shocks/brake bias....etc...., but still most setups are capable of winning. It just boils down to driver preference and skill.

What works for one guy may not for another.

[v7guy]

After reading through 5 pages all I can say is "wow that was alot to read" .

Never bought anything from sam personally but I've read alot of his threads and have shoved people in his direction, I will also buy my bars from him at some point, I've learned alot of theory at the very very least. He seems to know what's going on and is very willing to help people. But hell, I could say the same thing about alot of people in this community.

Strano----With that said I've appreciated everything you've posted on and wrote, on here and on the "other boards". It's taught me alot. I appreciate the time you spent to write almost everything that you have, you are obviously very good at what you do. Take in consideration that the top dog will have ALOT of critics. It's part of the game. The person on top always gets torn down the hardest. This is the case in every field in the world, from genetics, to retail, to goverments. It's also the critics that help improve the field. If anything I would try to take the criticism as a compliment.