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Sam Strano
post Jul 14 2006, 09:07 PM
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$175 a set.

What do you get? 4 delrin offset bushings, steel sleeves, machine screws, instructions, and about .5 more camber than you have right now. And all ESP legal if you happen to care about rules. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Not cheap, because they weren't easy to get made and that costs money (especially in limited quantities).

I've got 16 sets total. Some are already sold or "reserved" by customers I know will be buying them. I figure I have 10 sets up for grabs right now, and if there is a need, I'll make more.
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Racer X
post Jul 14 2006, 09:26 PM
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Pick up the phone. I'm calling right now. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jul 14 2006, 09:35 PM
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merged 3 threads, but all pointing here.
the merge cause 3 entries identical... left the 1st one.
other 2 were cut and pastes.

edit: looks like i was owned by the move + merge = broken links... oh well !
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post Jul 15 2006, 02:51 AM
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Jul 14 2006, 05:07 PM) *
What do you get? .... about .5 more camber than you have right now.


That's a lot more camber gain than you've claimed or admitted in the past (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif)

What's involved in the installation - just pressing the old bushings out and drilling a few screw holes?
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post Jul 15 2006, 01:04 PM
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I would like a set. Are they "orderable" from your website or should I call?
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post Jul 15 2006, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE (sgarnett @ Jul 14 2006, 10:51 PM) *
QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Jul 14 2006, 05:07 PM) *
What do you get? .... about .5 more camber than you have right now.


That's a lot more camber gain than you've claimed or admitted in the past (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif)

What's involved in the installation - just pressing the old bushings out and drilling a few screw holes?


Huh? Oh, nevermind, not worth the discussion.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

you have to re-use the old shells, so the rubber has to burned or cut out, and the new ones just press in. That can be done with a vice and not a shop press.

QUOTE (KeithO @ Jul 15 2006, 09:04 AM) *
I would like a set. Are they "orderable" from your website or should I call?


Call me, not on the site.
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post Jul 15 2006, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE (sgarnett @ Jul 14 2006, 10:51 PM) *
QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Jul 14 2006, 05:07 PM) *
What do you get? .... about .5 more camber than you have right now.


That's a lot more camber gain than you've claimed or admitted in the past (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif)


I knew that Sam was at -1.7 camber, that was about .5 more than I could get from my car (and the tolerance lottery) at a similar ride height. It seems to be inline with what I had for expectations. If I didn't already have global west arms, I'd order a set to "have". Just in case.
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post Jul 15 2006, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2006, 05:04 PM) *
QUOTE (sgarnett @ Jul 14 2006, 10:51 PM) *

QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Jul 14 2006, 05:07 PM) *
What do you get? .... about .5 more camber than you have right now.


That's a lot more camber gain than you've claimed or admitted in the past (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif)


I knew that Sam was at -1.7 camber, that was about .5 more than I could get from my car (and the tolerance lottery) at a similar ride height. It seems to be inline with what I had for expectations. If I didn't already have global west arms, I'd order a set to "have". Just in case.

I think Rob was only able to get about -1.3 at a similair height.

Since I never installed my GW arms, I may order a set of bushings too (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Jul 16 2006, 03:13 AM
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I could only get -1.3 at the same height. That was my point, he was at -1.7, so it seemed about right to me. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jul 16 2006, 04:12 AM
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QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2006, 11:13 PM) *
That was my point, he was at -1.7, so it seemed about right to me. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)


Ain't tryin' to say otherwise. 0.5 is a significant improvement.
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post Jul 16 2006, 04:16 AM
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QUOTE (sgarnett @ Jul 16 2006, 12:12 AM) *
QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2006, 11:13 PM) *
That was my point, he was at -1.7, so it seemed about right to me. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)


Ain't tryin' to say otherwise. 0.5 is a significant improvement.


Agreed. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jul 18 2006, 11:15 PM
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Got mine today....
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post Jul 19 2006, 12:51 AM
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Damn shipping time to middle of nowhere AR...... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rant.gif)
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post Jul 19 2006, 11:31 AM
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I'll be ordering in a few weeks. To much repair work last weekend. If you sell out, I'll wait for the next run since they won't be going in until winter anyway.

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post Jul 19 2006, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (rushman @ Jul 19 2006, 07:31 AM) *
I'll be ordering in a few weeks. To much repair work last weekend. If you sell out, I'll wait for the next run since they won't be going in until winter anyway.

-Jon


Jon,

You just confirm you are getting them pretty soon, I'll hold a set for you. I like the fact there are folks I can trust and I'd be happy to do that since we've done similar things before, and the fact you've left a favorable impression on me when we met (and when we've spoken).

Korry,

Yours are scheduled for delivery tomorrow (fedex track is 086562810018328).


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post Jul 19 2006, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Jul 19 2006, 11:32 AM) *
Korry,

Yours are scheduled for delivery tomorrow (fedex track is 086562810018328).


Thanks.

Remember that thing I said about probably not installing 'em for a while? Yeah... forget that. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 20 2006, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE (Racer X @ Jul 19 2006, 05:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Jul 19 2006, 11:32 AM) *

Korry,

Yours are scheduled for delivery tomorrow (fedex track is 086562810018328).


Thanks.

Remember that thing I said about probably not installing 'em for a while? Yeah... forget that. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


That's kind of what I thought would happen. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 20 2006, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (sgarnett @ Jul 15 2006, 07:45 PM) *
Since I never installed my GW arms, I may order a set of bushings too (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


I actually committed to buying a set from a production run on 9/28/2005, though I first tried to buy a set long before that (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Sam, if you are so inclined, please charge a set to the credit card you have on file for me. I'm in a class all week, so otherwise I'll just call next week.

Thanks,
Sean

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post Jul 20 2006, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (sgarnett @ Jul 20 2006, 12:36 PM) *
QUOTE (sgarnett @ Jul 15 2006, 07:45 PM) *
Since I never installed my GW arms, I may order a set of bushings too (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


I actually committed to buying a set from a production run on 9/28/2005, though I first tried to buy a set long before that (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Sam, if you are so inclined, please charge a set to the credit card you have on file for me. I'm in a class all week, so otherwise I'll just call next week.

Thanks,
Sean


If you'd like me to sent a set, I'll be happy to. I don't have a credit card number on file right now (got deleted or was expired probably).
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post Jul 20 2006, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Jul 20 2006, 01:45 PM) *
If you'd like me to sent a set, I'll be happy to. I don't have a credit card number on file right now (got deleted or was expired probably).


Just as well, I'd rather use a different card anyway. Yes, please save me a set.

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post Jul 23 2006, 08:29 PM
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Bushings are installed. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'll reset the toe and get it on the road later this week.
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post Jul 27 2006, 10:32 PM
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Rich Johnston, John Spooner, Sean Garnett..... bushings are packed and on the way. Thanks!
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post Jul 28 2006, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE (Racer X @ Jul 23 2006, 02:29 PM) *
Bushings are installed. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'll reset the toe and get it on the road later this week.


Thanks Sam,

RacerX,

Got any install pointers for the rest of the crowd?

Thanks,

-John
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post Jul 28 2006, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE (Spooner @ Jul 28 2006, 03:38 PM) *
RacerX,

Got any install pointers for the rest of the crowd?

Thanks,

-John

Not really, they went together pretty easily. Just drill your set screw holes straighter than I did so nobody will accuse you of being A ) cross-eyed or B ) drunk. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Per side it was something like....

15 minutes to get the arm out
What felt like 2 flippin hours to burn out the old bushings and clean up the shells.
10 minutes to press in the bushings
10 minutes to install the set screws (need a 10-32 tap but screws are included)
15 minutes to button everything back up

There are some pretty good directions included if you've never tackled anything like this before.

I installed mine with a loaner ball joint tool from O'Reilly. A bench vise would probably work but I have no bench and no vise. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Jul 29 2006, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE (Racer X @ Jul 28 2006, 03:30 PM) *
QUOTE (Spooner @ Jul 28 2006, 03:38 PM) *

RacerX,

Got any install pointers for the rest of the crowd?

Thanks,

-John

Not really, they went together pretty easily. Just drill your set screw holes straighter than I did so nobody will accuse you of being A ) cross-eyed or B ) drunk. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Per side it was something like....

15 minutes to get the arm out
What felt like 2 flippin hours to burn out the old bushings and clean up the shells.
10 minutes to press in the bushings
10 minutes to install the set screws (need a 10-32 tap but screws are included)
15 minutes to button everything back up

There are some pretty good directions included if you've never tackled anything like this before.

I installed mine with a loaner ball joint tool from O'Reilly. A bench vise would probably work but I have no bench and no vise. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


Thanks for the pointers. What kind of torch did you use? I have a basic one. I don't know what kind of gas it uses. Then again, I don't know if that really matters?

-John
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post Jul 29 2006, 12:52 AM
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Just your basic Home Depot propane plumbers torch.
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post Jul 29 2006, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE (Racer X @ Jul 28 2006, 05:30 PM) *
What felt like 2 flippin hours to burn out the old bushings and clean up the shells.


Use Mapp gas and a screw driver and it won't take but a few minutes to get it clean. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) How much camber did you gain?
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post Jul 29 2006, 02:33 AM
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QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Jul 28 2006, 08:23 PM) *
Use Mapp gas and a screw driver and it won't take but a few minutes to get it clean. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) How much camber did you gain?
Yeah well, cheap and slow can also describe the car so it was the only logical path for me. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Camber... hard to say, I don't have a way to check camber / caster here at home yet. However, the increase is readily apparent to even the untrained eye (read - my wife). I'd have to say it's at least equal to the advertised 0.5°
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post Aug 2 2006, 01:26 PM
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Thanks for the pointers. Just one more question... I'm a little confused on where to drill and tap the hole. The written part of the directions say, to me anyway, to do it through the side of the bushing. But the figure seems to suggest doing it through the face of the bushing as it's flange is facing you...
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post Aug 2 2006, 07:39 PM
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The instruction say "drill and tap a 10-32 hole through the outer metal casing into the bushing...". The screw is to keep the bushing from turning relative to the metal sleeve. Not to mention that a screw sticking out of an end wouldn't let you put the a-arm back together. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 4 2006, 05:38 PM
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5 sets left........
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post Aug 4 2006, 06:14 PM
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I was able to beat the old bushings out with a socket and hammer instead of burning it. Then again, they were poly bushings that were installed less than 2 years ago...
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post Aug 21 2006, 02:45 PM
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I've got 4 sets left...... Things have slowed down considerably (and I knew they would) being these are first and foremost build to satisfy rules.

However, I know there are a few of you out there yet who could use them (and at least one or two I actually had in mind when I decided to build these) who didn't get any yet. Here's why I metion that. I most likely will *not* do another run of these. The market is pretty small and going to be pretty much saturated. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If you want some it's time.
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post Aug 21 2006, 03:47 PM
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Burning the bushing out: Do you want to burn it right down to bare metal? Or can there be a little bit of leftover residue? I suppose the answer is yes, bare metal.
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post Aug 21 2006, 04:28 PM
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You need to get all the rubber out. You can burn all of it out or burn most of it and knock off the last little bit with a wire brush.
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QUOTE (pknowles @ Aug 21 2006, 10:28 AM) *
You need to get all the rubber out. You can burn all of it out or burn most of it and knock off the last little bit with a wire brush.


Thanks Phil...

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post Aug 21 2006, 11:30 PM
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I have not installed my UCA bushings yet, but for removing the LCA bushing rubber I found it worked better to heat the outside of the bushing shell until smoke started squirting out at the edge of the rubber (more than just a lazy wisp) and then the rubber would just slide out.
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post Aug 21 2006, 11:51 PM
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I finally got to run my first event since these were installed.

It's amazing what 0.5° of camber can do for a car......
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post Aug 23 2006, 08:05 PM
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I'd like to move the remaining sets. They are overhead, and while I know they will sell to someone eventually, I'd really like them to go to the intended folks. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 2 2006, 01:11 PM
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Sam, i've been mulling this over and i think i would like a set for the CMC car.
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Last set sold (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I hope.....
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post Oct 2 2006, 04:33 PM
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Wheeler got the last set......

From here I need to get confirmed orders to make another run as I know the market is getting saturated and don't want to end up sitting on a bunch of them.
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Thank you Sam!

Once again you came through!

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Just an fyi

With a slotted k-member and these upper bushing, I can get almost 3 on camber and 4.5 on caster! maxed!

Mine is set at 1.8 and 6.2 with a ride height F 6" R 6 3/16"

I'm sure Sam will make another batch if need be (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 9 2006, 08:18 PM
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And I'd be happy to have more made for you guys. But wishing upon a star isn't going to cut it. I need confirmed orders this time!
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Bringing this back to the top because I have two confirmed orders for more. I'm not making more until I have 10 solid orders. So we need 8 more to get something rolling on another batch.
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***SOLD*** , thanks. Disregard below.

I have a brand new set of these for sale. I bought the set from Sam about 2 months ago, but when I took my upper control arms off I discovered that the car already had a set of offset bushings installed, (probably from Global West).

First $175 takes them. No need to wait for the next batch to be made, mine are available now.
Buyer pays UPS ground shipping.

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Are you sure the bushings you have are legal? There was some talk about some prior offset bushings having too much metal content vs. OE. I don't know if it's true, but some folks have been caught cheating before. I'd hate to see you get screwed if that was the case. And no, pleading ignorance is not a defense or we might well have had a different winner in STS @ Nationals. There were things on his car he didn't know were wrong, and got tossed for them.

I sold them already, no skin off my nose if you want to sell them. You just might want to hang on to them until you know you have something legal for sure. Just a thought
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Oct 27 2006, 01:11 PM) *
Are you sure the bushings you have are legal? There was some talk about some prior offset bushings having too much metal content vs. OE. I don't know if it's true, but some folks have been caught cheating before. I'd hate to see you get screwed if that was the case. And no, pleading ignorance is not a defense or we might well have had a different winner in STS @ Nationals. There were things on his car he didn't know were wrong, and got tossed for them.

I sold them already, no skin off my nose if you want to sell them. You just might want to hang on to them until you know you have something legal for sure. Just a thought


Hi Sam,

My car is an American Sedan, pertinent rules are in GCR 17.1.7.D.4.d
The global west bushings are legal per this ruleset (the way I interpret them...)
How are the autocross rules worded?

The bushings you make are nice. I just made a mistake and didn't realize the car I bought already had offset bushings installed.

Excerpts from the gcr:

The gcr is at http://www.scca.org/_FileLibrary/File/GCR2006.pdf

17.1.7.D.4.d.2. On other forms of suspension, camber adjustments
may be achieved by the use of shims and/or eccentric
bushings. Rear camber shall be no more than 1/2 degree
negative per side.

17.1.7.D.4.d.5. Bushing material is unrestricted except that control
arm to spindle ball joints must be stock or equivalent
replacement. Original unmodified control arms must be
retained.
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QUOTE (briandoll @ Oct 27 2006, 04:17 PM) *
How are the autocross rules worded?


In ESP, they can have no more metallic content that the stock bushings they replace, they may be pinned (to prevent rotation of the offset) but the pin may serve no other purpose, and if the stock bushing uses compliance to allow movement (as both of the lower control arm bushings on a 4th gen do, but especially the caster bushing) then the replacement must also (so a spherical delrin caster bushing is illegal, even if it doesn't shatter).
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QUOTE (briandoll @ Oct 27 2006, 03:17 PM) *
QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Oct 27 2006, 01:11 PM) *

Are you sure the bushings you have are legal? There was some talk about some prior offset bushings having too much metal content vs. OE. I don't know if it's true, but some folks have been caught cheating before. I'd hate to see you get screwed if that was the case. And no, pleading ignorance is not a defense or we might well have had a different winner in STS @ Nationals. There were things on his car he didn't know were wrong, and got tossed for them.

I sold them already, no skin off my nose if you want to sell them. You just might want to hang on to them until you know you have something legal for sure. Just a thought


Hi Sam,

My car is an American Sedan, pertinent rules are in GCR 17.1.7.D.4.d
The global west bushings are legal per this ruleset (the way I interpret them...)
How are the autocross rules worded?

The bushings you make are nice. I just made a mistake and didn't realize the car I bought already had offset bushings installed.

Excerpts from the gcr:

The gcr is at http://www.scca.org/_FileLibrary/File/GCR2006.pdf

17.1.7.D.4.d.2. On other forms of suspension, camber adjustments
may be achieved by the use of shims and/or eccentric
bushings. Rear camber shall be no more than 1/2 degree
negative per side.

17.1.7.D.4.d.5. Bushing material is unrestricted except that control
arm to spindle ball joints must be stock or equivalent
replacement. Original unmodified control arms must be
retained.



Probably legal in your case, but I don't have a GCR.. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Getting close.... need about 3 more orders for the next run to be made.
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Just want to make sure in case I'm wrong, I'm on the list already right?
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I'll take a spare set to stash away. You can put me on the bottom of the list when you start mailing them out (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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I'll take a spare set to stash away. You can put me on the bottom of the list when you start mailing them out (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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I've got 7 confirmed orders on these... and some folks need them sooner than later. I need just a few more to make this run happen. It will be a smaller run, no way am I making 20 car set like I did last time considering I'm having trouble getting 10 folks to go now. Normally, I'd just bag it, but those who need them are serious competitors and HAVE to have the bushings, so I'm doing what I can to help them out.

I want to get this ball rolling, so if you have a need for a little more negative camber and either can't run aftermarket a-arms due to rules, *OR* don't want to drag the extra weight of them around, now is the time to act.
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Nov 28 2006, 01:51 PM) *
I've got 7 confirmed orders on these... and some folks need them sooner than later. I need just a few more to make this run happen. It will be a smaller run, no way am I making 20 car set like I did last time considering I'm having trouble getting 10 folks to go now. Normally, I'd just bag it, but those who need them are serious competitors and HAVE to have the bushings, so I'm doing what I can to help them out.

I want to get this ball rolling, so if you have a need for a little more negative camber and either can't run aftermarket a-arms due to rules, *OR* don't want to drag the extra weight of them around, now is the time to act.



Count me in.

Not as much camber as with my control arms but I might have to take these off next year.
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Ok, I think we're really close to getting this going.
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I'm up for a set Sam but only if you think I can get them before the end of December. I'll be installing the springs on my break between Christmas & New Years so it will be apart. Let me know what you think.
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I'll know more in a few days, but I think I have enough to order, and I'm hoping they'll be done before Christmas.

I'll keep you updated, and tentitively add you to the list, how's that?
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Nov 29 2006, 06:29 PM) *
I'll keep you updated, and tentitively add you to the list, how's that?


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Got an update today on the process. Seems like I should have some bushings for you guys by Christmas....
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Do you have one more set? I decided to replace my worn out, 104K mile, factory rubbers, over the winter.
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I ordered a few extra's. Give a call, I'll get you on list.
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Sam, i just called and reserved a set(hopefully)
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I have you Joe....
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Sam,

When do you expect that you will be looking for payments?
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Could be tomorrow, but likely sometime next week. You can just pay me now if you like, I was just going to wait until I had them in hand. But if now is easier for you, that's fine also.
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 14 2006, 12:24 PM) *
Could be tomorrow, but likely sometime next week. You can just pay me now if you like, I was just going to wait until I had them in hand. But if now is easier for you, that's fine also.


I should be calling you tomorrow, gotta get the money out of my hands before we close on our new house :-)
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 14 2006, 01:24 PM) *
Could be tomorrow, but likely sometime next week. You can just pay me now if you like, I was just going to wait until I had them in hand. But if now is easier for you, that's fine also.


Do you take PayPal?
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Sorry, I kind of had some other stuff come up. We do take Paypal Doug....

And, the bushings came in today. I've got the list and I'll be calling everyone in the next few days to complete the orders. I'm largely by myself @ work right now. You can try and call, but I don't know if I can answer the phone and since I have a list I was just planning on handling things from my end out.

Current folks on the list:
Steve Catlin
Brian Regainne
Jeff McElyea
Greg Olsen
Jeff Spector
Ben Wong
Doug Phillips
Scott Sentirmay
William DeRivera
Jon Wolff
Joe Silva
George Kusevich
and Sean Garnett.

And one set is being held for a project with a magazine. So 14 sets of 15 are spoken for. Again, if your name appears on that list, I'll be calling you. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 21 2006, 12:44 PM) *
Sorry, I kind of had some other stuff come up. We do take Paypal Doug....

And, the bushings came in today. I've got the list and I'll be calling everyone in the next few days to complete the orders. I'm largely by myself @ work right now. You can try and call, but I don't know if I can answer the phone and since I have a list I was just planning on handling things from my end out.

Current folks on the list:
Steve Catlin
Brian Regainne
Jeff McElyea
Greg Olsen
Jeff Spector
Ben Wong
Doug Phillips
Scott Sentirmay
William DeRivera
Jon Wolff
Joe Silva
George Kusevich
and Sean Garnett.

And one set is being held for a project with a magazine. So 14 sets of 15 are spoken for. Again, if your name appears on that list, I'll be calling you. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Sam

PM me if you want to unload that last set.

Bock
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Sweet! Just in time! My gf was still trying to figure out what to get me for Christmas. I'm hard to shop for... lol.
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Sam,

Best wishes to you and your family. Take some time to slow down over the holidays.

If it helps and you don't mind I am happy to wait until after the holidays to take care of Ben and my bushings. We are in no hurry up here and it might free you up a little. If you prefer to move ahead for cashflow send me a PM or email and I will send payment.

Take care, I hope everything goes well with your mom.
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Jul 14 2006, 04:07 PM) *
$175 a set.

What do you get? 4 delrin offset bushings, steel sleeves, machine screws, instructions, and about .5 more camber than you have right now. And all ESP legal if you happen to care about rules. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Not cheap, because they weren't easy to get made and that costs money (especially in limited quantities).

I've got 16 sets total. Some are already sold or "reserved" by customers I know will be buying them. I figure I have 10 sets up for grabs right now, and if there is a need, I'll make more.


Picture ?? first, I would like to see it. Let me figure out to buy this one... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/fcad0cab.gif)
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QUOTE (cccbock @ Dec 21 2006, 06:35 PM) *
QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 21 2006, 12:44 PM) *

Sorry, I kind of had some other stuff come up. We do take Paypal Doug....

And, the bushings came in today. I've got the list and I'll be calling everyone in the next few days to complete the orders. I'm largely by myself @ work right now. You can try and call, but I don't know if I can answer the phone and since I have a list I was just planning on handling things from my end out.

Current folks on the list:
Steve Catlin
Brian Regainne
Jeff McElyea
Greg Olsen
Jeff Spector
Ben Wong
Doug Phillips
Scott Sentirmay
William DeRivera
Jon Wolff
Joe Silva
George Kusevich
and Sean Garnett.

And one set is being held for a project with a magazine. So 14 sets of 15 are spoken for. Again, if your name appears on that list, I'll be calling you. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Sam

PM me if you want to unload that last set.

Bock


Sam PM'd me and indicated these are all sold out.

Since I plan to rebuild my front end next month, would anybody be interested in selling me their set? It might take Sam awhile to get a new batch together.

Guess thats what I get for sittin on my butt too long.

Bock

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They are all spoken for. Half are actually sold--I still have a few folks I need to contact, but haven't really had time to, yet.

There might be a set left in the end, and if there is you have dibs Bock, but I can't guarantee there will be a set left--that depends on what the others do.

QUOTE (Doug Phillips @ Dec 22 2006, 08:35 PM) *
Sam,

Best wishes to you and your family. Take some time to slow down over the holidays.

If it helps and you don't mind I am happy to wait until after the holidays to take care of Ben and my bushings. We are in no hurry up here and it might free you up a little. If you prefer to move ahead for cashflow send me a PM or email and I will send payment.

Take care, I hope everything goes well with your mom.


Doug,

Thanks for the offer. I have to work, someone has to pay the bills. The only thing is the Paypal stuff goes to Arlyn's computer, and I really have no idea how to access that. In short, I can't really take it right now. Happy to take a check if you want, or a credit card. I can ship them anytime, and sooner is better for me as it gives me a better idea of what I have left.
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Sam,

I just called your office but could only leave a message. I also sent a PM with shipping details for Ben Wong and myself.

Please let me know what the total of the two of us with shipping will be. I will call you with a VISA number as soon as you reply.

Best wishes to your family again.
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Just wanted to let everyone know i've got the best gf ever! She talked to Sam and got my set today. FYI, she says Sam was really nice over the phone, although i am kind of sad i didn't get to talk to him myself. lol. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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got my set today, thanx Sam!
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Well.... I wasnt in the market for these 6 months ago, now I may be. Sam, if you ever make a 3rd run of these, mark your fist set SOLD!! . By the way, I don't know you well so I never wrote in about your mom, but good luck, my mom is a 15 yr breast cancer survivor as of last month.
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QUOTE (SSTAT @ Jan 26 2007, 03:59 PM) *
Well.... I wasnt in the market for these 6 months ago, now I may be. Sam, if you ever make a 3rd run of these, mark your fist set SOLD!! . By the way, I don't know you well so I never wrote in about your mom, but good luck, my mom is a 15 yr breast cancer survivor as of last month.


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Finally got around to picking Ben W. and my bushings up from the warehouse.

Thanks Sam.
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Sam, how close are you to having enough orders for another run?

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Not close, don't have anyone even on a waiting list at this time. I'm willing to have more made, but I need enough folks to buy them. What someone needs to do it get with some of these NASA time trial guys that save points with these vs. control arms, and the CMC types that can use them to gain camber. I've tapped out the ESP market I think, and I'm not on any NASA forums...

But if someone were to make it public we make these bushings and how they'd benefit certain classes, you might be able to drum up enough people for another run.
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i've showed intrest before. i do want a set. cost is a small issue i have w/ them.
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Feb 13 2007, 01:42 PM) *
Not close, don't have anyone even on a waiting list at this time. I'm willing to have more made, but I need enough folks to buy them. What someone needs to do it get with some of these NASA time trial guys that save points with these vs. control arms, and the CMC types that can use them to gain camber. I've tapped out the ESP market I think, and I'm not on any NASA forums...

But if someone were to make it public we make these bushings and how they'd benefit certain classes, you might be able to drum up enough people for another run.


Sam, was Sean able to get another set, I know he let his backup set go for me, so he might be "on the list" so to speak.

Bock
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QUOTE (Glenn98ZM6 @ Feb 15 2007, 12:18 PM) *
i've showed intrest before. i do want a set. cost is a small issue i have w/ them.
put me back on the list i guess.


I know they aren't cheap for 4 bushings, sleeves and some machine screws. But they are made in very small runs, and we have to order the materials in small batches and have the CNC machines stopped to download the program (not to mention the setting up of the program in the first place). I also felt it was the correct thing to do to pay Phil Knowles, who designed them a royalty of sorts. He didn't have to give me the design at all, he could have kept the whole thing to himself but didn't. And I feel that deserves something.



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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Feb 13 2007, 01:42 PM) *

Not close, don't have anyone even on a waiting list at this time. I'm willing to have more made, but I need enough folks to buy them. What someone needs to do it get with some of these NASA time trial guys that save points with these vs. control arms, and the CMC types that can use them to gain camber. I've tapped out the ESP market I think, and I'm not on any NASA forums...

But if someone were to make it public we make these bushings and how they'd benefit certain classes, you might be able to drum up enough people for another run.


Sam, was Sean able to get another set, I know he let his backup set go for me, so he might be "on the list" so to speak.

Bock


Yep, I managed to get him a set that was not taken..... but good thinking. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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i production cost suck, and thats a nice thing you did for Phil.
do you have any available now? if not when you get to the # required for production, ping me for payment.
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I will take a set if you do more.

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I've got 3 now on a tentative list. If I get 10 confirmed, I'll run more. Tell your buddies.
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Street Mod buddy told. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Street Mod Buddy officially replying:

Yes I'd like a set of bushings! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Thanks Sam.

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Street Mod buddy need to call me (or at least send me name and phone number). (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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How many are on the list so far? I'm trying to get a set of stock upper A arms again, if I can I'll add my name to the list.
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I'd also like to get a set!

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While I know Ben, I'll be damned if I can remember your last name right now. And I don't think I know tpunk at all.

I need you guys to call me, or give me your information (name, contact info). I can't just go on screen names..
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Sam, I told John that you need his contact info.

He's a busy guy but if you need me to rattle his cage again just let me know. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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