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Shortcutsleeping
post May 31 2007, 02:39 AM
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Yup...

Vote for me please.

Time to put those subies/evos/mr2s DOWN.

YOU WILL RESPECT MAH V8 AUTHORITY!!!

hehehehe

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StanIROCZ
post Jul 16 2007, 04:07 PM
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Yeah, Kinsler kid. About 21 years old and still in college. Built it in one year. Made me very jealous. Many parts of the fabrication were very impressive. The only thing I can really knock him on is not using a tubing bender more. He actually was a member here and sold his 4th gen 1LE on this forum to someone in Texas to fund this project…. It wasn’t you was it?!?

Last year he had a stock Zo6 motor with the injection stacks, so that puts him at maybe 425 HP or so. Over the winter he bought a stroker 427, can’t remember if it was based off of the LS1 or LS2 block, but it should be nasty. I’m guessing about 600 HP. I haven’t talked to him in a while to see how everything went. He was developing a new set of stacks to go with it.

So more grip requires longer arms is what you are saying? He’s only ran street tires that I know of so far. Took me for a ride down a couple local freeways… hang on for dear life.

I'd like to build something like yours or his someday.
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post Jul 16 2007, 04:25 PM
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Stan,

Thanks for the additional info...wow, 600hp @ 2000lbs in that thing would be a terror! I didn't buy his 1LE, mine are both FStock 3rd gens (insert weak-nut tpi joke here! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ).

Don't get me wrong, I'm speaking in generalities. It is POSSIBLE to get more grip with a stock arm (of course), but the longer the arm the better. They don't run such positive offset wheels for brake cooling! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

The tires on his car aren't streets, they are r-compound kumhos. Granted, they aren't 710s, but they aren't streets either.

Interesting you mention building a car like mine, several folks have mentioned it recently. Frank (helping me build, lives up the street, been racing buddies for a looooong time, awesome welder/fabricator) and I took a good look this past Saturday at making a copy of my car for him. Mine uses all circle-track parts (ever priced a corner on a riley or a rocketsports???) and really wouldnt be all that hard to duplicate. Derhaag still makes bodies for the 4th gen t/a+gt1 cars or you could convert it to c5 or c6 I would imagine.

Food for thought.


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post Jul 16 2007, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 16 2007, 10:25 AM) *
Derhaag still makes bodies for the 4th gen t/a+gt1 cars or you could convert it to c5 or c6 I would imagine.


Put an olds cutlass body on it! For some reason I always liked those in trans-am guise.
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post Jul 16 2007, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 16 2007, 03:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 16 2007, 10:25 AM) *
Derhaag still makes bodies for the 4th gen t/a+gt1 cars or you could convert it to c5 or c6 I would imagine.


Put an olds cutlass body on it! For some reason I always liked those in trans-am guise.


Are there year/make body style limitations/age limits in GT1, like there are (were) in Trans Am??
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post Jul 16 2007, 10:35 PM
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Positive offset is my front wheels. 12" wide and only 2" on the face side and 10" backspace. That way the control arms can be nice and long.

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=101

And it is INCREDIBLY nice to be able to get to everything fairly simply. I've worked on plenty of production based cars-that-are-raced and as you mention, a lot of it is huge PITA to work around. Additionally by the time you are done, you still have a lot of limitations. Sure it isnt cheap nor is it done in a few weekends, but for less than the cost of a used z06 I'll have a car that will destroy a whole ton of cars (p-cars, f-cars, vette, viper, etc) and it is based on a Coleman catalog.

HA! I always liked the olds bodystyles also but my favorites were the lt1 4th gens and the DeKon Monzas. I actually had two sets of DeKon bodywork when I bought this project and sold them both to help pay for it. For gt1, there is a TON of legal bodies. For Chev it is all gens of camaros, monzas, 63+ vettes, lumina, monte carlo and beretta. Buicks can be regals or somersets, and Olds can be Ciera, Cutlass, toronado and aurora (LOVED the aurora IMSA GTS cars!!!). There there is the firebirds, grand-prixs and fieros. Not all are T/A legal, but they can all run scca regionals and nationals.

I'm just crossing my fingers that T/A makes a comeback.

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post Jul 17 2007, 03:24 AM
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QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 16 2007, 04:35 PM) *
I'm just crossing my fingers that T/A makes a comeback.

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Me too, I'm hoping they do something that slots between Speed World Challenge GT and Touring. Ponycar only and production based. That would be bad-ass. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)
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QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 16 2007, 10:24 PM) *
Me too, I'm hoping they do something that slots between Speed World Challenge GT and Touring. Ponycar only and production based. That would be bad-ass. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)


American Iron? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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QUOTE (nape @ Jul 16 2007, 10:25 PM) *
QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 16 2007, 10:24 PM) *
Me too, I'm hoping they do something that slots between Speed World Challenge GT and Touring. Ponycar only and production based. That would be bad-ass. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)


American Iron? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)


Something that might actually be on TV. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) Also, I don't see the mfr's flocking to AI any time soon. Get the detroit 3 in there fighting it out with their latest offerrings and you could see something that resembles T/A's heyday.
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Shortcutsleeping   GRM UTCC - VOTE FOR ME!!   May 31 2007, 02:39 AM
Shortcutsleeping   More info on the car and pics. http://www.witchdo...   Jun 1 2007, 12:53 PM
BigEnos   Looks like a fun ride! I say throw some lights...   Jun 1 2007, 01:22 PM
StanIROCZ   5 stars!   Jun 1 2007, 01:36 PM
CrashTestDummy   Man, that'd make a nice CP car. ;-) Good cat...   Jun 1 2007, 02:49 PM
Shortcutsleeping   Thanks for the stars Stan! Gene...it will be ...   Jun 1 2007, 04:12 PM
Mojave   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jun 1 2007, 11...   Jun 1 2007, 06:09 PM
Shortcutsleeping   http://www.witchdoctormotorsports.com/ch57.htm ht...   Jun 11 2007, 03:05 AM
slowcamaro   black IS fast   Jun 11 2007, 04:03 AM
nape   That's hot... no really, that's going to b...   Jun 11 2007, 04:35 AM
Shortcutsleeping   Scratcher was accepted for the innaugural GRM UTCC...   Jun 11 2007, 08:24 PM
Glenn98ZM6   sweet. i hate you.   Jun 11 2007, 09:14 PM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   dude... i can see divorce in your future....   Jun 12 2007, 12:44 AM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Jun 11...   Jun 12 2007, 01:25 PM
Shortcutsleeping   Bored? Updates to read, laugh at, make fun of, et...   Jun 19 2007, 10:15 PM
killer_bluebird   The car is looking awesome! good Luck!   Jun 19 2007, 10:52 PM
Glenn98ZM6   where do you live? need any help?   Jun 19 2007, 11:16 PM
Shortcutsleeping   Thanks guys.. I live in San Antonio. Five guy...   Jun 20 2007, 12:19 AM
Glenn98ZM6   if you guys do a date at MSR-C i would be offended...   Jun 20 2007, 12:27 AM
mitchntx   Warren Motorsports Complex is 15 minutes from MSR-...   Jun 20 2007, 11:41 AM
gunslinger   Off topic: What are Carrera shocks?   Jun 21 2007, 10:14 PM
Shortcutsleeping   QUOTE (gunslinger @ Jun 21 2007, 05:14 PM...   Jun 22 2007, 04:52 AM
BigEnos   I was checking out the pictures of the body on and...   Jun 22 2007, 11:53 AM
00 Trans Ram   Any time you feel like testing out that "lear...   Jun 22 2007, 06:05 PM
Shortcutsleeping   I'd love to! I know some racers who have ...   Jun 22 2007, 07:07 PM
Shortcutsleeping   It just keeps getting closer... http://www.witchd...   Jun 25 2007, 02:01 AM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jun 24 2007, 10...   Jun 25 2007, 04:17 AM
AndyJ   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jun 24 2007, 09...   Jun 25 2007, 04:24 AM
Shortcutsleeping   http://www.witchdoctormotorsports.com/ch79.htm Th...   Jul 16 2007, 01:05 AM
StanIROCZ   Name's Stan, but steve is close . Actually St...   Jul 16 2007, 02:23 AM
Shortcutsleeping   DOH! Sorry Stan!! I've seen that ...   Jul 16 2007, 03:38 AM
StanIROCZ   Yeah, Kinsler kid. About 21 years old and still i...   Jul 16 2007, 04:07 PM
Shortcutsleeping   Stan, Thanks for the additional info...wow, 600hp...   Jul 16 2007, 04:25 PM
BigEnos   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 16 2007, 10...   Jul 16 2007, 07:50 PM
dailydriver   QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 16 2007, 03:50 PM) Q...   Jul 16 2007, 09:49 PM
Shortcutsleeping   Positive offset is my front wheels. 12" wide ...   Jul 16 2007, 10:35 PM
BigEnos   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 16 2007, 04...   Jul 17 2007, 03:24 AM
nape   QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 16 2007, 10:24 PM) M...   Jul 17 2007, 04:25 AM
BigEnos   QUOTE (nape @ Jul 16 2007, 10:25 PM) QUOT...   Jul 17 2007, 02:15 PM
dailydriver   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jul 16 2007, 12:07 PM)...   Jul 16 2007, 07:42 PM
StanIROCZ   Probably more of a wet dream than anything else. ...   Jul 16 2007, 05:51 PM
Alien   Did you get the mounts for the pushbar fabbed up y...   Jul 18 2007, 09:44 PM
Shortcutsleeping   BWAHAhahahahaha Nice one Alien! FWIW, the ca...   Jul 18 2007, 10:23 PM
Shortcutsleeping   No dyno and no track time this weekend. Driveshaft...   Jul 23 2007, 04:31 AM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 23 2007, 12...   Jul 23 2007, 04:39 AM
Shortcutsleeping   > sweet car thanks > I assume that you ...   Jul 23 2007, 01:47 PM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 23 2007, 09...   Jul 24 2007, 05:59 PM
Shortcutsleeping   Stang Killer, where do you work? With Ryan? If so,...   Jul 25 2007, 05:59 AM
Stang Killer   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 25 2007, 12...   Jul 25 2007, 09:50 AM
FBody383   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping)Went to my sUpAR seKrEt te...   Jul 25 2007, 07:46 PM
BigEnos   Hot! Good luck kicking some ass at the UTCC.   Jul 23 2007, 03:21 PM
Stang Killer   So one of my co-workers showed me that page at wor...   Jul 23 2007, 11:38 PM
CrashTestDummy   VERY nice. Good luck with the shakedown cruise...   Jul 24 2007, 02:14 PM
Shortcutsleeping   I even pimped FRRAX on the nose and rear quarters...   Jul 27 2007, 10:24 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 27 2007, 06...   Jul 28 2007, 05:27 AM
Glenn98ZM6   well i see its on the track in those pics. how...   Jul 28 2007, 01:57 PM
Shortcutsleeping   QUOTE (Glenn98ZM6 @ Jul 28 2007, 08:57 AM...   Jul 29 2007, 09:52 PM
Shortcutsleeping   http://www.witchdoctormotorsports.com/ch82.htm ht...   Jul 30 2007, 03:38 AM
Shortcutsleeping   The official short story: It was run as a time tr...   Jul 30 2007, 04:04 PM
PF Flyer   I can vouch for the hot temps at VIR this past wee...   Jul 30 2007, 05:49 PM
Shortcutsleeping   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-485659264...   Jul 30 2007, 07:47 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 30 2007, 02...   Jul 30 2007, 09:19 PM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (Shortcutsleeping @ Jul 30 2007, 03...   Jul 31 2007, 03:08 AM
FBody383   TAMSCC... Whoop! Nice ride.   Jul 31 2007, 07:50 PM
rpoz-29   I'm grinning ear to ear just hearing it!   Aug 1 2007, 12:42 AM
Shortcutsleeping   http://www.witchdoctormotorsports.com/ch83.htm Fu...   Aug 1 2007, 02:48 AM

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