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Sam Strano
post Nov 14 2005, 03:39 PM
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I was just pondering what things I've done that were the same old, same old in terms of my business and car setup stuff. I'm tired of hearing that I'm out only sell parts, and will do so by any means necessary. I'm tired of having quotes laid at my feet that are taken completely out of context. And I've been called a liar (just recently in a thread about the A-Sedan cars at the Runoffs).

So I've thought about it, and I'm posting a response.

First let me address the notion that I think in this little tiny box and don't try things. Here's a breif list of things I've tried and have WORKED with regards to the f-body, particularly the 4th gen:

1. The T2R. How many ran the T2R before I showed up? Very few. How many even realized how important a LSD that works is to the handling as well as the traction of the car? Next to none.

2. Large front swaybars as well as "intermediate" rear bars in combination. Before me everyone used a 32mm front bar. Some stayed 19, some went 21 rear. A very few who were never fast went to big bars at both ends. I ran a 35/21 combo first (and did it before SLP did, starting in late '99).

3. Started the education on shock valving... Before me you had HD's and SLP's and Koni's. Only the Koni's capable of damping the spring most of us run, but most folks were cheap, didn't know any better, or fell for a sales pitch that HD's are just fine. Even some folks who are now selling "trick" shocks were on the phone with me as little as 2 years ago wanting to know why HD's weren't up to the job.

4. Showed that removal of the rear bumpstops can cause shock failure, and proved it more than once. And I stuck with it despite being shouted down a few times....

5. Showed that the evil bumpstop is really more of a bump rubber that does eventually act as a stop, but that with proper shock tuning it works simply as supplemental spring, but one that does NOT return energy like a spring does. You might disagree, but there are plenty of points proving the STOP doesn't spike you spring rate, and even a cool video Rushman took that showed that rear axle never bangs into them (of course he has good shocks, a decent ride height and good spring rates).


These are some of what I've done that worked. I've tired a number of things that have not worked, and because they aren't made very public it's assumed I haven't tried them. That's simply ignorant, and sadly ignorance can be contagious. :stupid:

Here's an example.... I made drop PHB brackets way back in '99-2000. In an effort to calm the tail of the cars (and folks on this board have seen them, they aren't vaporware). While messing with designs to get the strength I wanted/need from the, I stumbled across a few things that were at the time outside the box ideas that did the job I was seeking. So the re-engineering of the wheel I was going to do, wasn't necessary IMHO. Some think it is, and that's fine. But if you don't know me, and haven't been privy to conversations with me, you really should not assume you know all the details of my life and business. And when I say the Tom Aquilante Racing A-Sedan cars at the Runoffs, *I* was the one who checked them out. Not anyone else here, and when I found what I found what I did, I was abused for it because it happend to pretty closely resemble that tact I take. You can bet if it had been the "other" ideas I'd have been driving into the ground about that. Damned if I do, damned if I don't with some people here. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

I just wanted to take the time to clear my head of some of this stuff. There are somethings going on in my life right now that make me wonder why I pour my heart into my work and my hobby like I do when I'm attacked for giving my opinion and have the gall to try and back up my claims. And it sucks.

The other thing that makes me differnet, and I've think I've been kind of a pioneer of is the way I recommend parts. I look around at the different boards and never, NEVER see anyone else saying "I don't feel you need this part" or some such example. I call a spade a spade, often to the extent of making smaller and sometimes NO SALE. And I'm that turns me into the slick used car salesman type. That's truly sad, and very dis-heartening.

Unless this thread is deleted, I'm going to bookmark it. That way the next time I hear about how selfish I am, or how I just push a prepackaged setup with the inference that it wasn't worked on and worked on very hard, etc. I can just put in the link... Much like I've had to do with the link to the Bilstein catalog into to dispell some of the rampant misinformation some folks spread about Bilstein HD's being so great for lowering springs.

EDIT: I want to add this in no way is to say that other opinions are not valid. Much like I thought out of the box, others are now doing. The point is simply there are very few truly new ideas in the world, and a number of the ideas out there now are not only not new, but have been tried many times before. This is not a statement on what works or doesn't in theory, or even what can be made to work, well or otherwise.

This post has been edited by Sam Strano: Nov 14 2005, 03:42 PM
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Sam Strano   I've been thinking   Nov 14 2005, 03:39 PM
John_D.   Well said. I'm glad you got some of this stuf...   Nov 14 2005, 04:07 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Nov 14 2005, 10:39)Unless...   Nov 14 2005, 04:27 PM
RedHardSupra   Sam, you rock! long version: first few time ...   Nov 14 2005, 04:33 PM
Tony99SS   It's certainly tiresome and unrewarding to get...   Nov 14 2005, 05:03 PM
rmackintosh   Sam, I am truly sorry you feel this way. You we...   Nov 14 2005, 05:12 PM
Cal   Sam I think you should take heart in the fact that...   Nov 14 2005, 05:13 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (Tony99SS @ Nov 14 2005, 11:03)A certai...   Nov 14 2005, 05:16 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Nov 14 2005, 12:16)QUOTE...   Nov 14 2005, 05:46 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE Here's an example.... I made drop PHB br...   Nov 14 2005, 06:30 PM
CMC #37   In my own field I have learned some hard lessons o...   Nov 14 2005, 08:27 PM
OneMeanZ   Sam, I don't know much. But through the PMs w...   Nov 14 2005, 09:02 PM
ESPCamaro   I'll give you a You know the story and don...   Nov 14 2005, 09:37 PM
slowTA   I think some of the 'heated debates' start...   Nov 14 2005, 09:40 PM
Sam Strano   If you happen to find your way out here again... ...   Nov 14 2005, 09:48 PM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Nov 14 2005, 16:37)I'l...   Nov 14 2005, 09:51 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (slowTA @ Nov 14 2005, 15:40)I think so...   Nov 14 2005, 09:54 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Nov 14 2005, 15:51)QUOTE ...   Nov 14 2005, 10:01 PM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   Sam's been able to help my car setup - when I ...   Nov 14 2005, 10:24 PM
JonV   Sam, I am really sorry to hear you feel like that....   Nov 14 2005, 10:59 PM
Jon A   One quick request for clarification and I'll l...   Nov 14 2005, 11:04 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (JonV @ Nov 14 2005, 17:59)Sam Jr. is a...   Nov 15 2005, 12:06 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   QUOTE (Jon A @ Nov 14 2005, 18:04)QUOTE (ESPC...   Nov 15 2005, 12:41 AM
Jeff94TA   QUOTE (Jon A @ Nov 14 2005, 18:04)QUOTE (ESPC...   Nov 15 2005, 03:15 AM
trackbird   Guys.... Relax. This thread has been fine so far a...   Nov 15 2005, 04:08 AM
firehawkclone   Sam I will say the same thing everyone else has sa...   Nov 15 2005, 05:27 AM
Jon A   QUOTE (Jeff94TA @ Nov 14 2005, 20:15)Nice edi...   Nov 15 2005, 06:50 AM
Jon A   QUOTE (firehawkclone @ Nov 14 2005, 22:27)I k...   Nov 15 2005, 08:48 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   QUOTE (Jon A @ Nov 15 2005, 03:48)If you don...   Nov 15 2005, 11:55 AM
sgarnett   QUOTE (Teutonic Speedracer @ Nov 15 2005, 06:...   Nov 15 2005, 12:38 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Nov 15 2005, 07:38)QUOTE (T...   Nov 15 2005, 01:37 PM
firehawkclone   QUOTE (Jon A @ Nov 15 2005, 02:48)QUOTE (fire...   Nov 15 2005, 02:11 PM
trackbird   Listen guys (all of you collectively, not just Joh...   Nov 15 2005, 02:52 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (firehawkclone @ Nov 15 2005, 09:11)THI...   Nov 15 2005, 02:55 PM
Sam Strano   Wow, that sure didn't take long now did it. ...   Nov 15 2005, 04:31 PM
marka   Howdy, Sam, just quit paying attention to the peo...   Nov 15 2005, 04:46 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Nov 15 2005, 09:55)Actually...   Nov 15 2005, 04:48 PM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (marka @ Nov 15 2005, 11:46)Howdy, Sam...   Nov 15 2005, 05:05 PM
marka   Howdy, Well then, there's only one way to fix...   Nov 15 2005, 05:15 PM
marka   Howdy, Seriously... Sam, my advice is this... St...   Nov 15 2005, 05:24 PM
Teutonic Speedracer   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Nov 15 2005, 09:55)Most of ...   Nov 15 2005, 05:56 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE And I've been called a liar (just recent...   Nov 15 2005, 05:57 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (trackbird @ Nov 15 2005, 11:48)QUOTE (...   Nov 15 2005, 07:08 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (marka @ Nov 15 2005, 12:24)Seriously.....   Nov 15 2005, 07:12 PM
Jon A   QUOTE (firehawkclone @ Nov 15 2005, 07:11)WHO...   Nov 15 2005, 07:42 PM
Sam Strano   "The way Sam started this thread" Hmm, ...   Nov 15 2005, 07:50 PM
Jon A   Thank you for clarifying the PHB bracket issue, Sa...   Nov 15 2005, 07:51 PM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Nov 15 2005, 12:57)QUOTE A...   Nov 15 2005, 08:18 PM
robz71lm7   Sorry to have come off the wrong way I just mentio...   Nov 15 2005, 08:36 PM
Racer X   Don't sweat the small stuff Sam and don't ...   Nov 15 2005, 09:39 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Nov 15 2005, 14:18)Meanwh...   Nov 15 2005, 10:04 PM
jpastorius   I am proud to be able to call Sammy a friend. The...   Nov 15 2005, 10:14 PM
Unbalanced Engineering   Hey Sam, I just wanted to clarify a few things. ...   Nov 15 2005, 10:42 PM
Formula WS6   Sam, You, your mom, and your dad have helped ...   Nov 15 2005, 10:47 PM
rmackintosh   Nice post Jason, Like I have said guys....keep it...   Nov 15 2005, 10:50 PM
TOO Z MAXX   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Nov 15 2005, 16:50)Nice ...   Nov 15 2005, 11:05 PM
Sam Strano   Jason my friend, I have NO issue with you here. N...   Nov 16 2005, 01:29 AM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Nov 15 2005, 17:04)QUOTE (S...   Nov 16 2005, 01:35 AM
GM01SS   Sam...................I am a repeat customer and c...   Nov 16 2005, 04:11 AM
robz71lm7   Some of you may think I hate Sam. I'll just a...   Nov 16 2005, 04:36 AM
JimMueller   QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Nov 15 2005, 11:31)...You...   Nov 16 2005, 05:57 AM
Eugenio_SS   :leaving:   Nov 16 2005, 06:32 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   Jon- I was trying to find the appropriate "b...   Nov 16 2005, 11:47 AM
lt99ls1   I have not read the whole thread yet. But let me s...   Nov 16 2005, 07:37 PM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (lt99ls1 @ Nov 16 2005, 14:37)I have no...   Nov 16 2005, 07:49 PM
trackbird   I tried to move the lowered PHB/roll center discus...   Nov 16 2005, 07:58 PM
jensend   Having read this entire thread, there is only one ...   Nov 17 2005, 03:11 AM
lt99ls1   QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Nov 16 2005, 13:49)QUOTE ...   Nov 17 2005, 01:43 PM
AllZWay   Most of us have our own opinions about what works ...   Nov 17 2005, 05:40 PM
v7guy   After reading through 5 pages all I can say is ...   Nov 18 2005, 06:37 PM

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