[Sam Strano]

I was just pondering what things I've done that were the same old, same old in terms of my business and car setup stuff. I'm tired of hearing that I'm out only sell parts, and will do so by any means necessary. I'm tired of having quotes laid at my feet that are taken completely out of context. And I've been called a liar (just recently in a thread about the A-Sedan cars at the Runoffs).

So I've thought about it, and I'm posting a response.

First let me address the notion that I think in this little tiny box and don't try things. Here's a breif list of things I've tried and have WORKED with regards to the f-body, particularly the 4th gen:

1. The T2R. How many ran the T2R before I showed up? Very few. How many even realized how important a LSD that works is to the handling as well as the traction of the car? Next to none.

2. Large front swaybars as well as "intermediate" rear bars in combination. Before me everyone used a 32mm front bar. Some stayed 19, some went 21 rear. A very few who were never fast went to big bars at both ends. I ran a 35/21 combo first (and did it before SLP did, starting in late '99).

3. Started the education on shock valving... Before me you had HD's and SLP's and Koni's. Only the Koni's capable of damping the spring most of us run, but most folks were cheap, didn't know any better, or fell for a sales pitch that HD's are just fine. Even some folks who are now selling "trick" shocks were on the phone with me as little as 2 years ago wanting to know why HD's weren't up to the job.

4. Showed that removal of the rear bumpstops can cause shock failure, and proved it more than once. And I stuck with it despite being shouted down a few times....

5. Showed that the evil bumpstop is really more of a bump rubber that does eventually act as a stop, but that with proper shock tuning it works simply as supplemental spring, but one that does NOT return energy like a spring does. You might disagree, but there are plenty of points proving the STOP doesn't spike you spring rate, and even a cool video Rushman took that showed that rear axle never bangs into them (of course he has good shocks, a decent ride height and good spring rates).


These are some of what I've done that worked. I've tired a number of things that have not worked, and because they aren't made very public it's assumed I haven't tried them. That's simply ignorant, and sadly ignorance can be contagious. :stupid:

Here's an example.... I made drop PHB brackets way back in '99-2000. In an effort to calm the tail of the cars (and folks on this board have seen them, they aren't vaporware). While messing with designs to get the strength I wanted/need from the, I stumbled across a few things that were at the time outside the box ideas that did the job I was seeking. So the re-engineering of the wheel I was going to do, wasn't necessary IMHO. Some think it is, and that's fine. But if you don't know me, and haven't been privy to conversations with me, you really should not assume you know all the details of my life and business. And when I say the Tom Aquilante Racing A-Sedan cars at the Runoffs, *I* was the one who checked them out. Not anyone else here, and when I found what I found what I did, I was abused for it because it happend to pretty closely resemble that tact I take. You can bet if it had been the "other" ideas I'd have been driving into the ground about that. Damned if I do, damned if I don't with some people here. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

I just wanted to take the time to clear my head of some of this stuff. There are somethings going on in my life right now that make me wonder why I pour my heart into my work and my hobby like I do when I'm attacked for giving my opinion and have the gall to try and back up my claims. And it sucks.

The other thing that makes me differnet, and I've think I've been kind of a pioneer of is the way I recommend parts. I look around at the different boards and never, NEVER see anyone else saying "I don't feel you need this part" or some such example. I call a spade a spade, often to the extent of making smaller and sometimes NO SALE. And I'm that turns me into the slick used car salesman type. That's truly sad, and very dis-heartening.

Unless this thread is deleted, I'm going to bookmark it. That way the next time I hear about how selfish I am, or how I just push a prepackaged setup with the inference that it wasn't worked on and worked on very hard, etc. I can just put in the link... Much like I've had to do with the link to the Bilstein catalog into to dispell some of the rampant misinformation some folks spread about Bilstein HD's being so great for lowering springs.

EDIT: I want to add this in no way is to say that other opinions are not valid. Much like I thought out of the box, others are now doing. The point is simply there are very few truly new ideas in the world, and a number of the ideas out there now are not only not new, but have been tried many times before. This is not a statement on what works or doesn't in theory, or even what can be made to work, well or otherwise.

This post has been edited by Sam Strano: Nov 14 2005, 03:42 PM

[JimMueller]

...You might not blow your engine a quart down on Wal-mart oil...

Hey! So now you're talking about me? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) It was Mobil-1... I only bought it at Wal-Mart (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Seriously Sam, I truly appreciate all that you've done for me (and hopefully in the future as well). I'm sure Jeff, Jason, Chuck and Eric from our area feel the same way. Even the person who seemed most critical of F-bodies in our club, Bob Palmblad, switched from his supercharged Miata to use an F-body with your setup.

I didn't realize the personal angst you were experiencing and I hope you're back to your normal chipper self soon (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) I think with minor exceptions the tone of this thread is positive. I think there are a select few dozen or so on this site which really know WTF they're talking about. Unfortunately it's easy to misinterpret thread context on the internet. As you stated, assumptions get made and it goes to h3ll in a handbasket from there.

I sincerely hope all parties involved here can at least understand where the others are coming from, even if different philosophies can't be overcome. Limit it to constructive criticism and explain the theory and real-world applications as it fits the customer. In the end it's the customers wallet, but repeat business will be earned based upon their previous experience. It almost feels like a contest around here to see which vendor gets the customer, and I find that disheartening. Disheartening because this forum seems more like a close-knit family than those 'other' sites. But, business is business.

As I said in e-mail, I don't believe I'll ever acquire the seat time (gene pool? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ) to become an excellent driver. I believe it was Lonnie who mentioned in a thread that he was considering selling his car to spend more time with his son. I'm not to that point, but I certainly understand his position.

We need a FRRAX Gathering to get everything together face-to-face and have a good time! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif)

This post has been edited by JimMueller: Nov 16 2005, 06:02 AM

[Crazy Canuck]

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[Teutonic Speedra...]

Jon-

I was trying to find the appropriate "beat one's chest" icon last night, but was unsuccessful!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[lt99ls1]

I have not read the whole thread yet. But let me say this about you Mr. Strano you have went out of your way to return my calls and talk to me at lenght about problems,soultions on my car even when it did not mean a sell for you. One sure phone call took place last week when you explained to me about the rear of my car have "spikes" that felt like it was bottoming out when it was just the shock needed adjustment. That level of service and comment is while I have purchased from you in the past and will continue to do so in the furture.


Keep up the good work.

[Sam Strano]

I have not read the whole thread yet. But let me say this about you Mr. Strano you have went out of your way to return my calls and talk to me at lenght about problems,soultions on my car even when it did not mean a sell for you. One sure phone call took place last week when you explained to me about the rear of my car have "spikes" that felt like it was bottoming out when it was just the shock needed adjustment. That level of service and comment is while I have purchased from you in the past and will continue to do so in the furture.


Keep up the good work.

So I take it the shock adjustment helped?????

[trackbird]

I tried to move the lowered PHB/roll center discussion out of this thread. It came out pretty neatly, but if you are missing a post, it's probably here (hope I didn't make too much of a mess).

Thanks!

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[jensend]

Having read this entire thread, there is only one idea I'm able to conclude from it. It would seem that despite the fact that both tuning and driving performance cars are processes filled with variables and subjective assessments; a good number of people are unable to objectively accept that fact as reality.

Regardless of what we'd like (or would like to believe) the "right way" is most often highly subjective. In a sense, it's somewhat like religious belief: each of us chooses what he wants to believe, (and usually, also, chooses to call truth) and then closes himself to other possible truths. Neither can we all be right, nor all of us wrong. Fact is, choosing to believe or disbelieve has no bearing on truth. The final "proof " is a matter of both individual experience and individual perception.

In a nutshell, I'm not in "Sam's Camp" or "Jon's Camp", I'm just interested in improving wherever and however it's possible for me, personally, to improve. I make progress and mistakes based on what I choose. Anyone who takes my interest on a "personal" level chooses that, for good or ill, on their own. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

[lt99ls1]

I have not read the whole thread yet. But let me say this about you Mr. Strano you have went out of your way to return my calls and talk to me at lenght about problems,soultions on my car even when it did not mean a sell for you. One sure phone call took place last week when you explained to me about the rear of my car have "spikes" that felt like it was bottoming out when it was just the shock needed adjustment. That level of service and comment is while I have purchased from you in the past and will continue to do so in the furture.


Keep up the good work.

So I take it the shock adjustment helped?????

Yes it did. I am still tring to fine tune everything.

[AllZWay]

Most of us have our own opinions about what works and doesn't work and in some cases no amount of facts are going to change that opinion.

One thing I have learned from the dirt track racing is that hardly anyone runs the same combination of springs/shocks/brake bias....etc...., but still most setups are capable of winning. It just boils down to driver preference and skill.

What works for one guy may not for another.

[v7guy]

After reading through 5 pages all I can say is "wow that was alot to read" .

Never bought anything from sam personally but I've read alot of his threads and have shoved people in his direction, I will also buy my bars from him at some point, I've learned alot of theory at the very very least. He seems to know what's going on and is very willing to help people. But hell, I could say the same thing about alot of people in this community.

Strano----With that said I've appreciated everything you've posted on and wrote, on here and on the "other boards". It's taught me alot. I appreciate the time you spent to write almost everything that you have, you are obviously very good at what you do. Take in consideration that the top dog will have ALOT of critics. It's part of the game. The person on top always gets torn down the hardest. This is the case in every field in the world, from genetics, to retail, to goverments. It's also the critics that help improve the field. If anything I would try to take the criticism as a compliment.