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Hookdup
post Jun 18 2016, 10:38 PM
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ok, so this is not about w2w. all about track days / hpde.
I am at a stumbling point, participating in Porsche Club HPDE,
Black/Red Advanced Racer Group, I am getting passed by 2016 Cayman Gt4's, and 911 Gt3's., and newer cup cars.
Very comfortable in the groups, 50% pass/ 50% I pass.....

I am at the point of sliding the car, just to keep up, albeit controlled.

Have I reached the limit of a 4th gen?

The car is a 1998 Trans Am, built by Wheel to Wheel for competition in the 1998 Motorola Cup Series,
then Grand Am gt, then AIX,Ite..........

Should I Accept as is, or is there something to do (cost effectively) to be quasi-competitive..
(Remember, it is only HPDE/track days, not competition)

Specs are: 1998 Pontiac Trans Am, ls6 (little cam, 392 RWHP, full cage,, 3650 w/ driver, nascar front bar, one off adjustable rear bar,
heim jointed rear links (all)
heim /roto-jointed front upper and lower arms.
Auburn R/R carrier, 3.9 rear,
295/35 Hoosier R6's...
Full Cage,
New Trans,rear, brakes, tires, wheels etc..
ALl updated....

Have I reached the limit?\
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post Jun 19 2016, 10:49 PM
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That car is nowhere near the limits. Should be able to lose weight, you're still on a stock height Panhard bar, not sure what torque arm you have. Bilstein shocks leave lots to be desired. You could make the car a lot faster with a proper setup.

I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to put lead in the cage. In a car like that, ballast would be bolted to a secure location that's accessible in case it would need to be changed before/during/after an event.

I would:
-Remove as much weight as possible
-Contact Jason @ unbalanced engineering about a lowered Panhard setup, along with some new springs and shocks
-315 tires at all 4 corners

Factory ABS is junk, remove it and make sure a proportioning valve is installed. Instead of using those messy aftermarket kits, I re-plumbed my car using standard 3/16" hard line, and -3 AN flex lines at each wheel ($10 a piece at the local circle track supply store.)

If the car is loose, DO NOT stiffen the rear springs. If you need tighten the car up use softer rear springs or soften the rear sway bar. If the rear bar blades are still standing straight up like in the picture, that bar is full stiff.
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Hookdup   THE TRACK LIMIT OF A 4th GEN?   Jun 18 2016, 10:38 PM
Steve91T   Man seems like you're on the heavy side. My LT...   Jun 18 2016, 11:46 PM
WarShrike   Well, you're kinda racing against cars that in...   Jun 18 2016, 11:56 PM
pharmd   While I haven't done a lot of HPDE I have ofte...   Jun 19 2016, 12:00 AM
nape   QUOTE (Hookdup @ Jun 18 2016, 05:38 PM) H...   Jun 19 2016, 03:29 AM
Hookdup   Thanks for the input, I will look into the weight ...   Jun 19 2016, 12:20 PM
Hookdup   Guess keeping up with, and some times passing ...   Jun 19 2016, 12:27 PM
Steve91T   Oh wow that thing looks awesome. But I'm reall...   Jun 19 2016, 02:37 PM
CrashTestDummy   I'm with Steve on the weight thing. Where are ...   Jun 19 2016, 03:04 PM
Hookdup   Pics are old when first got car, everything was ad...   Jun 19 2016, 04:15 PM
bubba353z   QUOTE (Hookdup @ Jun 19 2016, 12:15 PM) I...   Jun 19 2016, 05:51 PM
Steve91T   Usually softer rear will help oversteer. What are ...   Jun 19 2016, 04:34 PM
trackbird   Did they melt lead into any of the rear cage tubes...   Jun 19 2016, 06:09 PM
Hookdup   Chrome moly cage, log books do not specify,as I re...   Jun 19 2016, 10:34 PM
79T/A   That car is nowhere near the limits. Should be abl...   Jun 19 2016, 10:49 PM
79T/A   Flattening the rear blades will make the rear bar ...   Jun 19 2016, 10:53 PM
Steve91T   Any in car videos of the car in action?   Jun 19 2016, 11:21 PM
Ojustracing   Hookdup What tracks have you run this car at and ...   Jun 20 2016, 01:12 PM
Hookdup   I have never ventured beyond NJMP, both tracks Lig...   Jun 21 2016, 12:03 AM
Hookdup   http://www.ponycars.net/images/tempimages/...JM_DE...   Jun 21 2016, 12:22 AM
Steve91T   There are fixes for the 6.0. Do them now and it sh...   Jun 21 2016, 05:02 PM
Hookdup   No actual videos, Functionality is more important,...   Jun 21 2016, 11:59 PM
Steve91T   QUOTE (Hookdup @ Jun 21 2016, 07:59 PM) N...   Jun 22 2016, 01:21 PM
WarShrike   Those swaybars are the bees knees. Always wondere...   Jun 22 2016, 02:42 AM

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