 The Bob Lutz Challenge |
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 Oct 14 2009, 04:35 PM
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Veteran Member  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144  |
This is interesting:
http://cadillac.gmblogs.com/2009/10/13/may...-win-in-action/ Bobby says bring it on (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/bigun2.gif) This post has been edited by StanIROCZ: Oct 14 2009, 04:37 PM |
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Oct 14 2009, 07:04 PM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
Bob is the Man. It takes huge nuts to call out the competition like that, and put yourself in the hot seat.
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Oct 14 2009, 08:05 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 560 Joined: 20-January 09 From: Wichita, KS Member No.: 3,727 |
He better pray it doesn't toast a diff!
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Oct 14 2009, 08:09 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144 |
QUOTE (roostmeyer @ Oct 14 2009, 04:05 PM)  He better pray it doesn't toast a diff! Nah, its got a Getrag diff in it, its good to go (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Oct 14 2009, 08:10 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,766 Joined: 10-April 04 From: New Orleans, LA Member No.: 303 |
Are they fragile on a road course?
I keep trying to think of another car I'd rather have if I were racing on a road course and trying to beat a CTS-V. So far, here's my list: #1) CTS-V #2) ... That's all I have so far. |
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Oct 14 2009, 08:18 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144 |
M3?
Mercedes? |
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Oct 14 2009, 08:33 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 560 Joined: 20-January 09 From: Wichita, KS Member No.: 3,727 |
Only thing I can think of is take it to a tight track without any real straights. Then bring an e30 m3 (not even sure if they made a sedan though) to show what 1/3 the power can do with half the weight.
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Oct 14 2009, 09:20 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,766 Joined: 10-April 04 From: New Orleans, LA Member No.: 303 |
QUOTE (roostmeyer @ Oct 14 2009, 03:33 PM) Only thing I can think of is take it to a tight track without any real straights. Then bring an e30 m3 (not even sure if they made a sedan though) to show what 1/3 the power can do with half the weight. I don't think that car would do it. I have run against a few of those in race trim (stripped, race tires, etc.) in my stock G8GT. One was a driver who recently won the RR state championship in his class. We ran close lap times, but I was marginally quicker. That's in a 4000lb car, with 361hp and street tires. I think the CTS-V would kill it. |
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Oct 14 2009, 09:38 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144 |
Oh, the M3 is a 2dr, so it'd have to be the M5.
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Oct 16 2009, 12:55 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 87 Joined: 14-November 08 From: Wixom, MI Member No.: 3,074 |
There a 4 door e36 M3 that's supposedly a well balanced car. It weights quite a bit more than an e30 M3 and has about half the power of the caddy, so I don't think it's a realistic opponent given similar tires.
I think they make a new 4 door M3 that has the V8, right? It would probably stand the best chance. |
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Oct 16 2009, 01:29 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,766 Joined: 10-April 04 From: New Orleans, LA Member No.: 303 |
Yeah - there is the new M3 sedan.
But, it's a bit heavy (doesn't have the CF roof like the coupe) at 3700lbs. And, we're still only talking 414hp and 300tq. And narrower tires. Don't ya love bench racing! |
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Oct 16 2009, 02:37 PM
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I suck at the auto-x :( Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,421 Joined: 21-April 05 From: TX Member No.: 727 |
If I were Lutz, I'd cheat like mad and pick a 'special' CTS-V. Smaller blower pulley, dyno tune, possibly some Pilot Sport Cups, maybe some slightly stiffer springs, Penskes.
If you're not cheating, you're not trying. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif) |
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Oct 16 2009, 03:33 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,876 Joined: 3-July 04 From: Pearland, Texas Member No.: 385 |
QUOTE (Mojave @ Oct 16 2009, 09:37 AM) If I were Lutz, I'd cheat like mad and pick a 'special' CTS-V. Smaller blower pulley, dyno tune, possibly some Pilot Sport Cups, maybe some slightly stiffer springs, Penskes. If you're not cheating, you're not trying. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif) Lutz: "No, it's completely stock. If you have any specific questions, my Chief Mechanic here, Mr. Henry Yunick, can answer any questions you have." (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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Oct 30 2009, 01:40 AM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144 |
Looks like the Cadillac wins (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)
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Oct 30 2009, 02:46 AM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
My friend Jack (from the "My stand in codriver shows real talent" thread) did beat Mr. Lutz and all the other journalists. Sadly he didn't win the day.
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Oct 30 2009, 02:48 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 87 Joined: 14-November 08 From: Wixom, MI Member No.: 3,074 |
Did you see anything on what tires they were all running?
That seems like a pretty important variable that may or may not (make that probably not) held constant. |
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Oct 30 2009, 03:15 AM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144 |
My understanding was everything had to be stock so I assume that means tires also.
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Oct 30 2009, 03:20 PM
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Mullet club chairman Group: Advanced Members Posts: 786 Joined: 25-March 06 From: South Bend IN Member No.: 1,135 |
I heard Bob Lutz on NPR yesterday, he blamed his age for not winning LOL. It sounded like the Caddys took all the top spots except for one which I think was 4th place. It went to a BMW M3 if I heard correctly, but I was in my IROC and sometimes the Magnaflows make more noise than the radio does....
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Oct 30 2009, 03:45 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 180 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Bay Area Member No.: 2,011 |
QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Oct 14 2009, 01:10 PM) Are they fragile on a road course? I keep trying to think of another car I'd rather have if I were racing on a road course and trying to beat a CTS-V. So far, here's my list: #1) CTS-V #2) ... That's all I have so far. #1) CTS-V coupe #2) CTS-V |
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